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Old 08-06-2012, 03:59 PM   #55126
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He also mentioned a lot of issues that have some validity to them, but in this thread most riggies ignore things like cashout times and collusion and just focus on the RnG based on their visual observations.

I have mentioned genuine issues like bots, collusion, multi accounting and rogue skins/networks many times, and many legitimate threads exist on those topics. I have suggested to riggies they participate in them but for the most part they do not care nor understand those as being genuine issues that have nothing to do with the RnG.

That's kind of why they get herded in here while many of the other topics have very smart conversations going on in different threads.

All the best.
Yeah all of which I allege Merge is doing. What are we in the Twilight Zone here?
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:00 PM   #55127
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Quote from otatop in one of his threads "I was playing hudless so when I folded I had no real reads"

He uses cheat software that gives info on players he's facing and believes thats how he gets "real reads".

Otatop, i would absolutely OWN you live and you are a poker idiot. Keep believing your "reads" that come from you using a hud and believing theyre your reads lmao what a joke
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:12 PM   #55128
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northeast, youre arguing this on a site that posts ads for merge gaming sites and profits from such.

Its kind of akin to being in a coca cola forum and telling everyone the reason they wont admit your views on pepsi is because theyre being financially rewarded by coke. Of course they are!
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:20 PM   #55129
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This is so stupidly easy to prove that you'd have to be a moron to say it without also posting the evidence.
It is stupid to say it is stupidly easy to prove without evidence. Every situation will be different. Specifically in relation to Merge it would not be easy to prove factually in the way that would convince someone who is looking for some type of clear cut math proof because you would need to have access to the RNG itself and to find out the particular way in which the results are being altered to lessen the amount of time it would take to narrow the specifics down.

Proof and detection are not the same thing. I can detect something with a high probability but it would not be provable based on that detection by itself.

What I know at this point is that there is a 90 percent or greater chance that the games on the Merge network are compromised. The final ten percent would go to determine who is responsible for the rigging.

To determine the chance of a place using house players,bots, and other tactics to steal money from players you first have to run a check list of questions to determine if you can eliminate the possibility through their current and previous actions. Their actions can go toward determining the probability that the people involved would ever consider engaging in the activity.

That is how you can determine that a site like Merge is far more likely to engage in such behavior than a site like PokerStars. Once you get through that check list you would actually have to play in the games to see how the players play in them and if your win rates in them make sense in comparison to your previous experiences in games with similar dynamics and skill levels.

If everything seems normal over an extended period of time the probability would be greatly reduced that widespread results tampering was either being allowed or taking place. If the results are abnormal you could then combine 1 and 2 and increase the significance of both in combination. Mathematically speaking as more factors exist for a possible cause of a problem the chance of that cause being correct tend to increase in a non-linear way.

The third thing you would check is to see how they handle their business outside of the suspected activity. That would be in relation to how they handle their cash-outs and customer service. If there are problems there you would try to determine if those problems cost their customers money.

The fourth thing you would do is look for evidence of customer experiences and the validity of those experiences. You would want to find out if people are trying to alter public perception through deceptive practices.

If all categories are true than there is a very high chance that the company has the capability to violate ethical standards and break the law. It is the same standard you would use to determine if you should give some parole or to hire a baby sitter.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:20 PM   #55130
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Collusion. SuperUser accounts. Players not getting paid (cake, betonline, tilt, etc). Multiple accounts tied to pros who cheat (Bonomo, Boyd, etc...list goes on and on). Ponzi schemes. Limits on withdrawals. Enormous waiting times for verification and withdrawals. RNG software that deals completely different than anything youve seen live.
I wonder why you would leave that until last considering that is what the thread is about. Oh yeah, you made it up didn't you?

Is that OK jjjou?

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Quote from otatop in one of his threads "I was playing hudless so when I folded I had no real reads"

He uses cheat software that gives info on players he's facing and believes thats how he gets "real reads".

Otatop, i would absolutely OWN you live and you are a poker idiot. Keep believing your "reads" that come from you using a hud and believing theyre your reads lmao what a joke
I don't think you know what cheating means.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:20 PM   #55131
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Yeah all of which I allege Merge is doing. What are we in the Twilight Zone here?

I suspect in much of your life you seem to find nearly everyone simply does not get the way you are thinking even when it all makes perfect sense to you. You see a mundane sharkscope graph and you can see the cheating patterns in it even without any proper research.

Over and over people just seem to never understand you, and it is obvious how frustrating that is to you. You had the whole Merge thing figured out in your head and nobody took you seriously. Nobody here, nobody at the agencies you may have called, and certainly Merge eventually put you on ignore.

Nobody seems to get it, and you sit there and wonder how the rest of the world continues to exist in the twilight zone when it all makes complete sense to you.

As I have said a few times, I do hope you dethrone blatantdude and become the "King Riggie," as your world in your head is far more interesting than anything he provides, and I suspect you will really confuse/frustrate several shills much more than the guy who drones the same chants every day.

Keep up the good work

All the best.

Edit to add: I am greatly entertained by your new Merge manifesto - no doubt the rest of the world will be in the Twilight Zone when they do not "get it," but fear not - other riggies will support you for arguing with shills (while having zero idea what you are talking about) and you should use that to get the momentum you need to become the one and only King Riggie.

You can do it, go for the Gold!

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Old 08-06-2012, 04:41 PM   #55132
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Proof and detection are not the same thing. I can detect something with a high probability but it would not be provable based on that detection by itself.

What I know at this point is that there is a 90 percent or greater chance that the games on the Merge network are compromised. The final ten percent would go to determine who is responsible for the rigging.
You can prove what you have detected because all of the information you have absorbed whilst playing is recorded in the hand histories for those games. So setting aside for a moment all the other elements feeding your suspicions such as cashouts, customer service, reputation, regulation etc what have exactly have you detcted and where is the proof that it isn't memory bias?
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:07 PM   #55133
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Quote from otatop in one of his threads "I was playing hudless so when I folded I had no real reads"
The entire sentence was "I was playing hudless so when I folded I had no real reads since villain was newish to the table, and I hadn't seen how he built his stack", but I guess that doesn't fit your narrative that I'm a cheater, does it?
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Otatop, i would absolutely OWN you live and you are a poker idiot.
I bet you would, champ. I'm literally trembling.

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Proof and detection are not the same thing. I can detect something with a high probability but it would not be provable based on that detection by itself.
In this thread, I think even just "high probability detection" would be accepted as "proof", and yet we haven't even seen that.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:13 PM   #55134
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For consistency I will post in this thread as I have done so when results have been published regarding all results of other tests that have been run. Please read the whole post in the probability forum and please, please, please don't don't jump to erroneous conclusions


There are new test results now released from bad beat tests run on the i-Poker Network.

The tests were comprised of over 18 million hands and a significant bias was detected in 2 of the hand samples used (2.2 million hands). The bias showed a deviation of 4.28 standard deviations from expectancy in favour of dominated hands in pre-flop all-ins: this should occur roughly once in every 53,500 tests.

Results from the other hand samples showed no significant devaition from expectancy.
Can you run this test on the Merge 1 and 2 dollar hyper turbos? I believe your results and I suspect you would find a bias in the Merge hyper turbos.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:20 PM   #55135
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You can prove what you have detected because all of the information you have absorbed whilst playing is recorded in the hand histories for those games. So setting aside for a moment all the other elements feeding your suspicions such as cashouts, customer service, reputation, regulation etc what have exactly have you detcted and where is the proof that it isn't memory bias?
I'll bet I know what your opinion of the veracity is of the response he posts....your Daddy would be proud, if Mama knew who it was.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:28 PM   #55136
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Can you run this test on the Merge 1 and 2 dollar hyper turbos? I believe your results and I suspect you would find a bias in the Merge hyper turbos.
He already tested Merge......

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http://www.ispokerrigged.com/Is%20Me...%20Rigged.html
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:37 PM   #55137
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I'll bet I know what your opinion of the veracity is of the response he posts....your Daddy would be proud, if Mama knew who it was.
Perhaps you should give your opinion of his views instead of speculating on mine. Or are you concerned that he is yet another lunatic to add to the riggie army?

Remind me, are you associating with them this week or have you changed your mind again?

I'm the bad guy for pointing out obvious lies and you're making Momma jokes with an undeserved air of superiority? Good one.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:48 PM   #55138
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He already tested Merge......

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http://www.ispokerrigged.com/Is%20Me...%20Rigged.html
Yeah, but that wasn't microstakes hyperturbos, which are the obvious games to rig if you want to roll in the money.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:49 PM   #55139
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I bet you would, champ. I'm literally trembling.
I just want to point out that the last HU challenge I got here was from a guy yelling about freeroll and $10 MTT beats who challenged me for $5k heads up match as soon as I flew several hours to meet him, and at that point we would be video taped by his girlfriend. I am also the only one to ever play a riggie HU (after much effort...) online.

I am not quite sure this riggie is that nuts - but in the spirit of the riggie Olympics I am just showing where the bar is for crazy riggie HU challenges in case you try to improve upon your previous score.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:04 PM   #55140
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He already tested Merge......

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http://www.ispokerrigged.com/Is%20Me...%20Rigged.html
Is this the same person?
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