The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

[Monteroy]

Originally Posted by filhodamae

You mean that 3,50 +R at Stars? GL highroller!

Thanks. I am still in the $55 NL MTT and a $55 hi lo MTT and a few $30 sit and gos as well. Somehow you forgot to mention those, no doubt an oversight, but since you are suggesting I play baby stakes (while you apparently play big stakes), I will offer you this:

Pick any MTT from $50 to 215 and if you play it today, so will I.

Just let me know which it is and 1 minute in (once I am sure you are playing, as a guy like you would unregister if you could) I will late register and we can see who does better.

Hint - this is a good time for you to pretend to not see this - maybe go feed your kids or something.

All the best.


P.S. Had a nasty beat in that 180 man 3r I was playing (lots of the guys we back play them, so always good to see the games myself). This was when it was hand for hand. Just imagine if this happened to a riggie on the bubble...

PokerStars Hand #78920911428: Tournament #547380817, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2000/4000) - 2012/04/15 15:34:30 ET
Table '547380817 15' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Monteroy (23837 in chips)
Seat 2: jb112358 (41263 in chips)
Seat 4: FuFu1965 (70022 in chips)
Seat 5: Macros909 (40520 in chips)
Seat 7: thanhtam09 (59921 in chips)
Seat 9: P.Royal 22 (31176 in chips)
Monteroy: posts the ante 400
jb112358: posts the ante 400
FuFu1965: posts the ante 400
Macros909: posts the ante 400
thanhtam09: posts the ante 400
P.Royal 22: posts the ante 400
FuFu1965: posts small blind 2000
Macros909: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Monteroy [Ad As]
thanhtam09: raises 4000 to 8000
P.Royal 22: folds
Monteroy: raises 15437 to 23437 and is all-in
jb112358: folds
FuFu1965: folds
Macros909: raises 16563 to 40000
thanhtam09: folds
Uncalled bet (16563) returned to Macros909
*** FLOP *** [Kh Th Jh]
*** TURN *** [Kh Th Jh] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Kh Th Jh 5h] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Macros909: shows [Qh Ac] (a flush, King high)
Monteroy: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
Macros909 collected 59274 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 59274 | Rake 0

[filhodamae]

Originally Posted by Monteroy

Thanks. I am still in the $55 NL MTT and a $55 hi lo MTT and a few $30 sit and gos as well. Somehow you forgot to mention those, no doubt an oversight, but since you are suggesting I play baby stakes (while you apparently play big stakes), I will offer you this:

Pick any MTT from $50 to 215 and if you play it today, so will I.

Just let me know which it is and 1 minute in (once I am sure you are playing, as a guy like you would unregister if you could) I will late register and we can see who does better.

Hint - this is a good time for you to pretend to not see this - maybe go feed your kids or something.

All the best.


P.S. Had a nasty beat in that 180 man 3r I was playing (lots of the guys we back play them, so always good to see the games myself). This was when it was hand for hand. Just imagine if this happened to a riggie on the bubble...

PokerStars Hand #78920911428: Tournament #547380817, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2000/4000) - 2012/04/15 15:34:30 ET
Table '547380817 15' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Monteroy (23837 in chips)
Seat 2: jb112358 (41263 in chips)
Seat 4: FuFu1965 (70022 in chips)
Seat 5: Macros909 (40520 in chips)
Seat 7: thanhtam09 (59921 in chips)
Seat 9: P.Royal 22 (31176 in chips)
Monteroy: posts the ante 400
jb112358: posts the ante 400
FuFu1965: posts the ante 400
Macros909: posts the ante 400
thanhtam09: posts the ante 400
P.Royal 22: posts the ante 400
FuFu1965: posts small blind 2000
Macros909: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Monteroy [Ad As]
thanhtam09: raises 4000 to 8000
P.Royal 22: folds
Monteroy: raises 15437 to 23437 and is all-in
jb112358: folds
FuFu1965: folds
Macros909: raises 16563 to 40000
thanhtam09: folds
Uncalled bet (16563) returned to Macros909
*** FLOP *** [Kh Th Jh]
*** TURN *** [Kh Th Jh] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Kh Th Jh 5h] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Macros909: shows [Qh Ac] (a flush, King high)
Monteroy: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
Macros909 collected 59274 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 59274 | Rake 0

I was not the one saying, that 20$ HU S&Gs are just a waste of time. 3,30 buyins at least doesn't seem to be.

[Monteroy]

You might have a point if I was on one table and not over a dozen. Stop lying about literally everything for a change and get on with your trivial life already.

All the best.

[filhodamae]

Lying? Where? Dude, you have a serious problem...

[Monteroy]

That's the problem with guys like you - you are actually too stupid to realize when you lie, and you believe your nonsense.

Look at your earlier post

Originally Posted by filhodamae

You mean that 3,50 +R at Stars? GL highroller!

Was I in a 3 rebuy at the time? Yup, but I was also in several other tournaments with buy ins up to $109, so what you did is lie by omitting data that would give context to your statement, and you obviously did it intentionally as well, since your statement would not be as clever if you had said (implying I should make time to play you a HU match instead)

Originally Posted by filhodamae

You mean that ABI of $20 on 12 tables at Stars? GL highroller!

when in the past 3 years your total number of games played at the $20 level was the single one you lost against me. Boo hoo, get over it.


That's how little guys like you lie literally all the time - you intentionally give cherry picked data that serves your needs and leave out critical information that would discredit you.

You wanted an explanation with how you lied - there it is, and I fully expect a guy like you will not understand what I just said as well.

Assuming you told the truth about the kids, let's hope (for humanity's sake) that the partner has a better genetic stock.

All the best.

[Hoooligan]

lol lost 8 buy ins to a longterm -66bb/100 "winner", as 40-50% favourite and lost all of them.. tried to find some folds obv, but he has no fold button

poker sucks , too slow money unless you can beat some of the higher limits with 1+ mil hands a year, and even that i guess is not so fun

what is the secret to beating 0,05/0,10 and higher limits? kinda impossible to get any value when they only play sets vs you, and im not paying them off so easily even those times

[rakemeplz]

what's a 40% to 50% favourite? Is that like a 75/25, 80/20 favourite?

also why would you try to find folds in a spot where you're a 70/30 favourite?

[Hoooligan]

40/60 fav and 50/50 i mean


16 buy ins below EV on 0,50/1 CAP, insssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssane

[filhodamae]

Originally Posted by Monteroy

That's the problem with guys like you - you are actually too stupid to realize when you lie, and you believe your nonsense.

Look at your earlier post



Was I in a 3 rebuy at the time? Yup, but I was also in several other tournaments with buy ins up to $109, so what you did is lie by omitting data that would give context to your statement, and you obviously did it intentionally as well, since your statement would not be as clever if you had said (implying I should make time to play you a HU match instead)



when in the past 3 years your total number of games played at the $20 level was the single one you lost against me. Boo hoo, get over it.


That's how little guys like you lie literally all the time - you intentionally give cherry picked data that serves your needs and leave out critical information that would discredit you.

You wanted an explanation with how you lied - there it is, and I fully expect a guy like you will not understand what I just said as well.

Assuming you told the truth about the kids, let's hope (for humanity's sake) that the partner has a better genetic stock.

All the best.

You are again wrong all the way. I never implied, that you don't play other games or higher limits as well.
This interpretation again just comes out of your embittered mind, because in your world all people lie (but OLP sites). I am sorry, that life formed you this way. Poor guy.

[Knytestorme]

Originally Posted by filhodamae

Lying? Where? Dude, you have a serious problem...

Lying by omission is still lying, but I'm sure you won't understand this point either.

[Monteroy]

Originally Posted by filhodamae

You are again wrong all the way. I never implied, that you don't play other games or higher limits as well.
This interpretation again just comes out of your embittered mind, because in your world all people lie (but OLP sites). I am sorry, that life formed you this way. Poor guy.

As I already said, guys like you have no idea how often you lie. You are quite adept at fooling yourself.

If you want to be my pet chasing me around for a while go for it, but my suggestion that you should get over your tragic $20 loss and get on with your life remains. Take that advice whenever convenient.

All the best.

[bel20]

Originally Posted by Monteroy

That's the problem with guys like you - you are actually too stupid to realize when you lie, and you believe your nonsense.

Look at your earlier post



Was I in a 3 rebuy at the time? Yup, but I was also in several other tournaments with buy ins up to $109, so what you did is lie by omitting data that would give context to your statement, and you obviously did it intentionally as well, since your statement would not be as clever if you had said (implying I should make time to play you a HU match instead)



when in the past 3 years your total number of games played at the $20 level was the single one you lost against me. Boo hoo, get over it.


That's how little guys like you lie literally all the time - you intentionally give cherry picked data that serves your needs and leave out critical information that would discredit you.

You wanted an explanation with how you lied - there it is, and I fully expect a guy like you will not understand what I just said as well.

Assuming you told the truth about the kids, let's hope (for humanity's sake) that the partner has a better genetic stock.

All the best.

highest buying that i see you play was 55$ at that time(not 109$)
several 30$ sng's at a time? start with one.

funny how you accuse people of lying

[filhodamae]

Originally Posted by Knytestorme

Lying by omission is still lying, but I'm sure you won't understand this point either.

It's so easy to look at online stats to see the limits of a player. Why should I lie about something that could be proven wrong by anybody with an IQ above 25? In your world this seem to happen alot.

Your poor buddy was saying that 5 HU S&Gs with each 20$ is not worth spending his time after he had already agreed to play them, while he is playing games for 3,30$. It doesn't matter if he also plays higher limits and alot of tables, as long as a 3,30$ game is worth his time he is proven a liar.

[subs]

Originally Posted by filhodamae

Your poor buddy was saying that 5 HU S&Gs with each 20$ is not worth spending his time after he had already agreed to play them, while he is playing games for 3,30$. It doesn't matter if he also plays higher limits and alot of tables, as long as a 3,30$ game is worth his time he is proven a liar.

whats the most he can win by winning 5 $20 hu sngs?

whats the most he can win by winning the $3 rebuy?

[Arouet]

Originally Posted by filhodamae

It doesn't matter if he also plays higher limits and alot of tables, as long as a 3,30$ game is worth his time he is proven a liar.

Did you see his explanation for playing in that game? Did you get his reasoning?

Also lol at you not implying he didn't play high stakes when you said "GL highroller."

But seriously, the fact that you think your one hand is evidence of a rig is very strange for someone with a stats background.