The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

[kitchma]

Originally Posted by K13

KK is automatic loss pre, and not to AA. So ****en bull****.

How the **** can you ten times in a row with it pre-flop? Why do these one in a million probabilites happen every single day. In less than a 1000 hands.

Why the **** am i even getting KK so many times in like 234 hands?

Enough with your bu&&Sh*t recaps. Hand histories or shove it!

[K13]

Originally Posted by AceCroupier

How is the poker site benefiting from your loss any more than if you had won the hand?

Keeps the fish alive longer.

With so many hands an hour, people would be cleaned way faster than live poker.

[Markusgc]

Originally Posted by K13

I just wonn 8 SNG's in a row

Originally Posted by K13

Its hard to take this **** seriously. lol

I'll say!

[AceCroupier]

Originally Posted by K13

Keeps the fish alive longer.

With so many hands an hour, people would be cleaned way faster than live poker.

So are you saying that K3 should never beat KK or only when you are in the hand?

No matter how rigged or not rigged a site may be, K3 still has a 7.16% chance of beating KK. So if you played the hand 1000 times, you'd lose ~71 times. This was one of those times, get over it.

[qpw]

Originally Posted by K13

How the **** can you ten times in a row with it pre-flop? Why do these one in a million probabilites happen every single day. In less than a 1000 hands.

They don't. You are making it up.

You are an idiot.

Why the **** am i even getting KK so many times in like 234 hands?

They aren't. You are making it up.

You are a mendacious idiot.


On behalf of the lizard people; have a nice day!

[Monteroy]

Is there any way to ban that K guy from this thread, all he does is post the same bad beat whines over and over as if KK can never lose ever. He would probably even be banned from the BBV section for needless zero content spamming.

If I thought he was doing this intentionally as a gimmick /troll I would not mind so much, but it is clear he is genuine in his selective cherry picking bad beat whining and probably will never give us an actual screen name which would show he cannot cut it at the $1 sit and gos he is playing.

He is also wasting valuable time that could be used by true riggedologists and their mafia controlled entropy theories.

[Markusgc]

Originally Posted by Monteroy

Is there any way to ban that K guy from this thread?

try the "ignore" function.

[K13]

Originally Posted by qpw

They don't. You are making it up.

You are an idiot.



They aren't. You are making it up.

You are a mendacious idiot.


On behalf of the lizard people; have a nice day!

Right, you've seen my hand histories.

Once I got AA 4 hands in a row on Titan Poker.

Odds of that = .00000002

So I'll believe anything when it comes to improbable hands in online poker.

[AceCroupier]

Originally Posted by K13

improbable

There, you answered you own damn questions.

IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

[LVGambler]

K13.. obviously the highest level of education you've received. Correct?
K-12 + 1

[Bingo_Boy]

Originally Posted by PokErasmus

all of you except the unluckiest have one penis, liver, lung, etc.

I think you made a mistake here. Not just an error in you penis count either. The whole post was a mistake.

Originally Posted by PokErasmus

The reason of that is that the software application that uses Intel hardware RNG would not produce such result. Any sane software professional can clarify that for you. Alternatively please call to Intel, and they will clarify that technically not possible to get two similar consecutive such complex dataset from their hardware RNG.

So the RNG that you propose they use is less random than the one they actually use because there are certain events that fall into a random set that simply can't happen? Is that right?

[Prav]

PokerStars is so obviously rigged. It's not too difficult to prove.
Someone must punish them. I begin a campaign against PokerStars (PS).
My intention is to prove that the software is rigged, at least in SNG and MTT.

The plan:
1)Get enough hand histories (HH) from the players willing to take part.
2)Create software for analysis of the data.
3)Prove mathematically that the outcomes of all-ins are biased.
4)Find a lawyer to prepare and file a lawsuit against PS.
5)Get compensation from PokerStars, prevent them from cheating in future.

Some details of the plan:

1)HH
I estimate HH of about 10,000 SnGs and about 3,000 MTT tourneys will suffice to get mathematical evidence.

2)Software
Alon Albert has almost ready software for the task. I will ask his help. Can anyone else help?

3)Mathematical prove
The idea is to collect statistics on all-ins, draw closing, flop cards, etc. Compare actual outcomes to probabilities. Get deviations using normal approximation method. If the deviation exceeds the reasonable level, it will prove that the PS software is rigged.

What exactly seems to be rigged?

a) Big stack advantage
PS software gives advantage to big stacks. In SnGs, I estimate the big stack win allins about 1.5% more often, then it is supposed to based on equity. In MTT the advantage of big stacks is much bigger, it's just ridiculous.
Especially, there's a type of preflop allins I call «domination by pocket pair» (AA vs AK, KK vs TT, QQ vs JT, etc).
According to my statistics in SnG games, the average equity of such all-ins is 84%/16%. Then big stack dominates short one, it wins in about 84% cases which is normal. Then big stack is dominated, it wins about 25% allins although supposed to win only 16%! Everyone can check by himself.

b) Allin luck
I believe every player with ROI > 0 eventually ends up with the lack of luck, i.e. his actual win is less than expected. There may be 2 explanations. Either PS gives more luck to losing players to keep them playing (see below), or some players are the room's bots (which is outright robbery). Of course, if we provide 100 unlucky players, PS can always claim there are 200 lucky players outwhere, so this can't be an evidence. But we can take a certain player and estimate the probability of his «unluckiness». If the probability is little enough, say less than 0.1%, this is the ground for accustaion. The data needed for the math analysis: list of allins with equity and outcome, number of allins.

c) Cashout curse
After every cashout the player is likely to face a downstreak. Have to check allin luck during 500 tourneys after every cashout.

d) Weak hands
Weak hands win a little bit more often than they should. Thus PS encourages bad players.
Need to analyse allins 60%+ vs 40%-.

e) Draws
Flush and straight draws close too often, encouraging bad play.

Proving at least one point of above a)-e) will be enough to sue PS.

4)Lawyer
I'm sure there are lawyers among players who would like to handle it. I have one reference already.

5)Compenstaion
I have an idea how to estimate the loss. Plus moral compensation of course.
I suppose if the lawsuit is prepared properly, PS will offer compensation pre-trial.

The ones willing to join the project, please contact me by email:
ROONEY [a] BK [dot] RU

[th1986]

why

[nuts busted]

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[riverfish1]

nice level