The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 2643 - Internet Poker

J9Suited · 09-18-2011, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged

Gladly do it for a legitimate player. Not a site promoter, affiliate or ignorant dreamer, whichever one you are.

I wouldn't ask nor expect you to explain to an ignorant, site promoting, dreaming shill like me.

But you have promised a real player who's theory you agree with that you will explain in detail.

I'm just an observer waiting for you to make good on your promise to a real player.

(I know you will not because you are full of bull**** but it's kinda fun pointing out to the other riggies just how full of it you are)
(And "I've seen it, it's obvious" does not count as in detail)

Bless you.

TPTK27 · 09-18-2011, 12:38 PM

@ Bingo Boy, I am in profit at Ongame, I've bonus whored them as well as I could have.

I'm in play from my play and bonuses and RB.

If there is actually a cycle, I'd imagine it is linked to the Essence system- which Ongame says tracks how much you win or lose, and that calculates your RB- that is changed every 3 months.

I don't think you could chose to play in certain months and run like gold dust- you'd have to ride the bad to get the good LOL- clearly the good players from the graphs manage to maintain small win rates or break even during the bad cycle, even earn from RB and then maximise results when they hit the good part of the cycle.

I'd personally just play on a fairer network where I can achieve relatively consistent results within what I expect from variance- namely, I don't ever expect to break even at NL10 for 50,000+ hands plus with the experience I have as a player!!

Bingo_Boy · 09-18-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TPTK27

Posting those graphs, you have to admit the majority of them win well more than they have done in the summer, many look like ________/ once it gets to May/June. Many show break even/small winner results for quite long periods of time before the summer upswing.

I just selected top winners for the year. No bias, just selected the top winners for the year, they are the top ten.

I have to admit what I admitted. 6/9 at best IMO and none of them show your boomswitch

Stop saying there is no bias - top winners is a bias. Put it another way - if you wanted to do a search that would create graphs like this what criteria would you go for? Losing players? Breakeven players?

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Originally Posted by TPTK27

I don't think you could chose to play in certain months and run like gold dust- you'd have to ride the bad to get the good LOL

Aaaah. I knew there'd be a reason why it wouldn't work.

blatantlyrigged · 09-18-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by yeahrighttt

My last vent (why I keep posting here.. cause this pisses me off so bad but I feel like there's nowhere to rant in a matter that would ease my soul)

First off I'm gonna stop asking if it's rigged. It IS.

I think this is the problem........ so many sites, the topic is "IS online poker rigged"

I'm takin blantantly's side.

It just IS.

This is my last post. Now I'm gonna register for other sites and continue spreading the knowledge.

Me and you blantant. We're the only 2 sane people left in this world...

Wiki, you left out at least over 3000 other people or more, minus yourself.

blatantlyrigged · 09-18-2011, 12:52 PM

TPTK27
Not sure where you are going with this argument, but trying to convince site promoters and/or affiliates will get you nowhere when it comes to deal manipulation. The poker sites are rigged, very simple.

Bingo_Boy · 09-18-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged

TPTK27
Not sure where you are going with this argument, but trying to convince site promoters and/or affiliates will get you nowhere when it comes to deal manipulation. The poker sites are rigged, very simple.

He's trying to convince himself really.

I thought you decided he was talking nonsense too. Or have you taken my advice and decided to jump on the riggie bandwagon whatever the theory.

TPTK27 · 09-18-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy

I have to admit what I admitted. 6/9 at best IMO and none of them show your boomswitch

Stop saying there is no bias - top winners is a bias. Put it another way - if you wanted to do a search that would create graphs like this what criteria would you go for? Losing players? Breakeven players?

Aaaah. I knew there'd be a reason why it wouldn't work.

I'm looking at reg grinders, so top winners by the year is the natural place to look.

There has been an almost even split in the months and the two categories I'm looking at, so no, there isn't bias.

And secondly, how can you just jump on say in the summer and expect to win if you haven't grinded it out during the winter- they don;t just boomswitch every account- the cycle is most likely determined on the Essece system, which records your win rate every 90 days and bases that to determine your RB % for the next 3 months.

Bingo_Boy · 09-18-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TPTK27

I'm looking at reg grinders, so top winners by the year is the natural place to look.

No it isn't.

The best players to look at would be the players with the most hands over the longest period of time to see the full effect of the rig so I hope that some of the players you have played most would be a more representative sample.

The biggest winners would only be the best candidates to check if you think the rig specifically targets the biggest winners. Doesn't it affect all regulalr players? How much of a winner do you have to be before you get hit by the rig?

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Originally Posted by TPTK27

There has been an almost even split in the months and the two categories I'm looking at, so no, there isn't bias.

Sorry, don't understand this.

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Originally Posted by TPTK27

And secondly, how can you just jump on say in the summer and expect to win if you haven't grinded it out during the winter- they don;t just boomswitch every account- the cycle is most likely determined on the Essece system, which records your win rate every 90 days and bases that to determine your RB % for the next 3 months.

That's not what you originally said though is it. You should be able to open a new account on another Ongame skin in November and get a guaranteed new player / winter boomswitch. Start at the highest stakes the rigging works and increase in stakes at a high rate ignoring sensible bankroll management. Or have you withdrawn your new account winter boomswitch idea?

J9Suited · 09-18-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blatantlynotdoingwhatisaidiwould

I will go into detail if youd like.

He's still waiting

raymears · 09-18-2011, 04:05 PM

You don't need fancy garphs and heiroglyphics to know that it's a big con. Just play for a while and the evidence is right there, staring you in the face.

These dorks who faithfully believe that the deal is legitimate are gullible, my droogs, real gullible.

raymears · 09-18-2011, 04:11 PM

Last Tuesday night I was dealt pocket deuces 7.5 times in a row and didn't even flop a set once.

What does that tell you?

blatantlyrigged · 09-18-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by J9Suited

I wouldn't ask nor expect you to explain to an ignorant, site promoting, dreaming shill like me.

Thank you. Absolutely no need, I know.

But you have promised a real player who's theory you agree with that you will explain in detail.

I'm just an observer waiting for you to make good on your promise to a real player.

(I know you will not because you are full of bull**** but it's kinda fun pointing out to the other riggies just how full of it you are)
(And "I've seen it, it's obvious" does not count as in detail)

Bless you.

He didnt ask, doofus.

blatantlyrigged · 09-18-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy

He's trying to convince himself really.

I thought you decided he was talking nonsense too. Or have you taken my advice and decided to jump on the riggie bandwagon whatever the theory.

Seems like nonsense yes. Just saying that arguing with a site promoter like yourself about deal manipulation of any kind is futile.

blatantlyrigged · 09-18-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by raymears

You don't need fancy garphs and heiroglyphics to know that it's a big con. Just plaJy for a while and the evidence is right there, staring you in the face.

These dorks who faithfully believe that the deal is legitimate are gullible, my droogs, real gullible.

Good poast!!

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Originally Posted by raymears

Last Tuesday night I was dealt pocket deuces 7.5 times in a row and didn't even flop a set once.

What does that tell you?

I was at that table! Noticed you flopped quads on the .5 deal, correct?

Arouet · 09-18-2011, 05:33 PM

@TPTK: did you have your hypothesis before you looked at the stats (the summer vs. winter winrates?) If not, and what you did was simply look up the stats to see what kind of patterns you could find then its data drredging. It's also called the sharpshooter's fallacy: which is where someone shoots at a barn door then draws a cricle around the hole and shouts "bullseye!"

In any kind of data set there are going to be small patterns. What you need to do is look at the NEXT few years and see if the pattern continues. Assuming you have statistical significance on your data set anyway, which I'm not so sure of.