The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

[PokErasmus]

Originally Posted by otatop

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...needed-393876/

Not that that will be sufficient for you, since I'm sure you'll find some flaw in their methodology, but there you go.

Thank you for pushing the link, it verifies that my statement about Cigital was accurate. The Cigital RNG auditing and hand analysis is completely irrelevant in the context of system integrity and you have no idea about software system auditing whatsoever nor about the importance of software system integrity in a domain where the media … is software.

Please send me links, materials, resources that clearly indicates that the software system is audited, details the methodologies of auditing and explains how the policies are actually enforced on Poker Star London based, US based, and Caribean based servers by the Chanel Island gaming authority.

[DMoogle]

Originally Posted by PokErasmus

I don’t give a f…k whether 24/7 deployed poker site defender Monty Python crusaders like yourself play or not. Who the f…k care what are you doing with your very little life that remains for you outside of this forum?!

But wtf are you doing here in 24/7? Why don’t you let people who believe poker sites are so rigged exchange freely and peacefully their ideas without forced to be read the defender crusaders rants?

Wtf you don’t open your thread to discuss that the poker sites are so not rigged and so honest, in this case we could discuss our theory/info/assumption about these f…g poker site criminals and you could discuss there how honest they are?

Do you not understand the purpose of the 2+2 forums? It's a *discussion* board.

[Markusgc]

Originally Posted by PokErasmus

Wtf you don’t open your thread to discuss that the poker sites are so not rigged and so honest, in this case we could discuss our theory/info/assumption about these f…g poker site criminals and you could discuss there how honest they are?

the thread is open afaik.

but the fact that you keep coming here to try and change the minds of people who are comfortable with the degree of integrity of the games they play WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE shows a serious mental deficiency.

I think the WWE is rigged, but I don't go to wrestling forums and tell the people who love it how I feel about the "sport." Why are you bothering us? Do you think you'll get a medal, or a promotion in the Rigtard Army?

Spoiler:

recognition among your peers isn't really all that prestigious.

[PokErasmus]

Tell it to your crusader mate between two agonical cries that you hint here for the poker sites. He/she/heshe was asking in the first place wtf I am discussing here.

[PokErasmus]

try and change the minds of people

And you try to change the minds of people in 24/7 who are unhappy about the game at poker sites.

You don't own the Internet nor this forum, and trying to stop people talk about poker in a poker site says a lot about you mate.

[KingOfFelt]

I know this question has been brought up before, but is it just a coincidence that non-rigtards seem to be able to form coherent sentences with limited spelling or grammatical errors (for the most part), whereas rigtards struggle to use proper grammar and misspell every other word (for the most part)?

[Markusgc]

Originally Posted by PokErasmus

Tell it to your crusader mate between two agonical cries that you hint here for the poker sites. He/she/heshe was asking in the first place wtf I am discussing here.

I think a lot of folks are asking "wtf are you discussing?"

In summation: wat?

Your incoherent ramblings won't win over any recruits. Maybe some hard data might. Try that.

[Markusgc]

Originally Posted by PokErasmus

Tell it to your crusader mate

you're really more the "crusader" in this case. let me give you an example...

European Christians went to the Middle East to convert Muslims through battle. Those warriors were called Crusaders.

Do you see the parallels here?

[DMoogle]

Originally Posted by Markusgc

the thread is open afaik.

but the fact that you keep coming here to try and change the minds of people who are comfortable with the degree of integrity of the games they play WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE shows a serious mental deficiency.

I think the WWE is rigged, but I don't go to wrestling forums and tell the people who love it how I feel about the "sport." Why are you bothering us? Do you think you'll get a medal, or a promotion in the Rigtard Army?

Spoiler:

recognition among your peers isn't really all that prestigious.

FWIW, I don't think Markusgc is discouraging people from showing cheating or less-than-fair games. He's just saying that there's no point in saying "I think it's rigged", then not showing any REAL evidence or at LEAST requesting that someone test their specific theory about how it is not fair.

And I disagree that there isn't any evidence showing that games are fair. There are studies floating about testing the randomness of hands (making sure certain hands are distributed evenly, within reasonable ranges), and the lack of studies showing anything abnormal certainly says something about the fairness of the deal (however, it certainly does not PROVE anything).

Although I suppose he can clarify his thoughts about this.

[Markusgc]

Originally Posted by DMoogle

Although I suppose he can clarify his thoughts about this.

I'm just kinda getting the Rigtards in a frothy rage is all. Until they present some data to analyze, that is.

[Monteroy]

Originally Posted by KingOfFelt

I know this question has been brought up before, but is it just a coincidence that non-rigtards seem to be able to form coherent sentences with limited spelling or grammatical errors (for the most part), whereas rigtards struggle to use proper grammar and misspell every other word (for the most part)?

To their credit, some do cram in 1,000+ words in a single paragraph, and sometimes even a single sentence.

That should count for something.

[DMoogle]

Originally Posted by KingOfFelt

I know this question has been brought up before, but is it just a coincidence that non-rigtards seem to be able to form coherent sentences with limited spelling or grammatical errors (for the most part), whereas rigtards struggle to use proper grammar and misspell every other word (for the most part)?

Most rigtards have few posts, so I'm guessing most are new to forums and most of their online chatting experience has taken place at the tables of nanostakes donkaments and probably some AOL chat rooms.

That and most sensible 2+2ers think things through. They like to make sure their play is logical and makes sense.

[PokErasmus]

Originally Posted by KingOfFelt

I know this question has been brought up before, but is it just a coincidence that non-rigtards seem to be able to form coherent sentences with limited spelling or grammatical errors (for the most part), whereas rigtards struggle to use proper grammar and misspell every other word (for the most part)?

Well, I apologies not being able to present my arguments in English that is up to standard. I am not an English speaker, learnt this language being adult and I have to tell you that I completely understand how you feel when you read my poorly written English. Again, please accept my apologies, I speak another 3 languages fluently, but you are right: coming here I should be able to present my saying in better form using the languege of this forum.

Having said that, I believe the reason of not getting any useful replies for my arguments about the lack of software system audit, how the business continuity aspects makes impossible to enforce policies is not my poor English. You guys simply have no idea how software system works and why so relevant the software system integrity in the context of an online business. That’s why you are unable to have an intelligent conversation about online based software operation, and when I presented my arguments received nothing else but personal rants, and I think it is nothing to do with my poor English – it says a lot more about you guys.

Anyway, thanks again for pointing out.

[spadebidder]

It would be a lot more interesting if this thread were about the subject line without lumping cheating, superusers, collusion, bots, and hole-card-viewing-trojan viruses all under the banner of "rigged sites". Rigged means the game isn't dealt fairly. Cheating means some other player at the table has an unfair advantage unrelated to the fairness of the deal. No site in the history of online poker has ever been shown to have an unfair deal. Ever. On the other hand, every site in the history of online poker has cheaters, and they catch them every day. Two notorious sites had cheaters on the inside who worked for the company, but the deal wasn't rigged. There are cheaters in gambling, live and online, and no one disputes that. The discussion is about the fairness of the game dealt by online sites. The bizarre tangents taken in this thread make it kind of pointless. And accusations of player cheating (insiders or not) are less than worthless until there is evidence to the contrary.

[Markusgc]

Originally Posted by Markusgc

I think the WWE is rigged, but I don't go to wrestling forums and tell the people who love it how I feel about the "sport."

there are two main reasons I don't do this...

1) it doesn't affect me at all if people choose to watch Monday Night Raw or Smackdown or pay $49.95 for Wrestlemania. That's their business.

and

2) I can't prove it's fake at this time. I suppose if I cared enough I could probably read a book by Mankind or somebody and present my case that way, but it's not worth the energy.

Spoiler:

or maybe it is! Golden Tee was just a test run!