The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

[Markusgc]

Originally Posted by qpw

Perhaps he's worried that when RealDeal go out of business he will lose the income he gets for acting as a shill for them?

that implies they were in business at some point.

[qpw]

Originally Posted by Markusgc

that implies they were in business at some point.

Oooops! My mistake.

So they must be paying him with money from the (failed) venture capitalists.

[Markusgc]

^^^^^^^
sounds like shill talk to me!

[Bobo Fett]

Originally Posted by tk1133

I couldn't agree with you more. But here's my point. I've written to other mods. even Sklansky himself. A lot of the arguements I post, aren't neccessarily my views or opinions. It's how it's sited as the impossible. That every single poker site would not or could not cheat or let other players cheat on their sites.

Almost nobody here has ever said it was impossible. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure no one ever has, but I can't say that with 100% certainty.

You've let yourself get so wound up by the "shills" that you've convinced yourself that they think this. I think you'll find they just want some evidence before they believe any particular site has a problem. Is that so unreasonable?

Originally Posted by tk1133

Bat I never "right" checks....I usually write them... i've Written them before...One time I Wrote a check...

Are you actually going to nit at someone's choice of one word? Really? You?

Oh, and seeing as you've once again sidestepped the issue of any proof of posters here being paid to post, you don't have any? Are you then planning on withdrawing your unfounded accusations?

[Monteroy]

Originally Posted by qpw

I think it's very clear that tk1133's agenda is very simple.

He wants US government regulation of poker sites.

Eh, OK. Strange agenda as it will do nothing with regard to whether people believe the games are rigged or not. Think the poker sites themselves would love this policy change as well.

Perhaps I will use the same approach on a more hard core riggedologist (rigtard seems a bit unfair a term as it insults those who are genuinely mentally handicapped).

I will simply ask them what they specifically need to have done and be shown to make them comfortable that all of their conspiracy beliefs and rigged theories are invalid. Since they know the hidden truth, I have to assume they would know what steps need be taken to purge the world of all the evils that cause these hidden truths to exist.

If tk is only about better regulation of this industry, then I actually agree with that. More regulation would remove a lot of the gray, hazy areas of the industry (not the silly rigged stuff, more the banking and player restriction stuff), and make the industry more healthy, stable and competitive.

Originally Posted by qpw

I also very much doubt that he gives a hoot about poker players.

Why does this matter?

Originally Posted by qpw

He obviously believes that he has some way of making money if the US government does try to regulate on line poker (which they won't for reasons that have been explained many times before).

Kind of getting into the strange conspiracy area here, and frankly his methods of "making money" have not really been demonstrated as clever thusfar. Not sure why this is a concern even if it it true.

Originally Posted by qpw

Perhaps he's worried that when RealDeal go out of business he will lose the income he gets for acting as a shill for them?

The reverse the roles "no you are a shill" routine was funny the first time. Clever the second time. Got a heh from me the third time. The 20th time? Well...

[Bobo Fett]

Originally Posted by Monteroy

The reverse the roles "no you are a shill" routine was funny the first time. Clever the second time. Got a heh from me the third time. The 20th time? Well...

True, but I don't blame him for continuing until tk either provides some proof of his "shill" allegation or retracts it.

[dbcooper279]

Originally Posted by Monteroy

The reverse the roles "no you are a shill" routine was funny the first time. Clever the second time. Got a heh from me the third time. The 20th time? Well...

Still funny imo

[batair]

Originally Posted by tk1133

Dude get over the echeck thing.

I cant it's just to funny. The self appointed champion of honesty in online gambling is a scammer.

But who else has stepped up to oversee online poker other then the gov.? You show me some alternatives....

The lightly regulated free market system before uigea was pretty good. U.S. regulation might be better or worse then the status quo I don't know and I highly doubt you do.

It's already being done. Those of you that say it's not going to happen...it already has happened....you just don't know it....try reading between the lines....

You know nothing that cant be learned in the legislation forum or at least you have never posted any info that isn't know there. Quit implying your an insider until you post something from the inside.

Originally Posted by tk1133

Bat I never "right" checks....I usually write them... i've Written them before...One time I Wrote a check...

If you want to correct my grammar, spelling and proof read my posts I could use the help, what hours are you available.

[Monteroy]

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

True, but I don't blame him for continuing until tk either provides some proof of his "shill" allegation or retracts it.

How about if we all stipulate that tk will never "get it" no matter how big and blatant and simple the reverse the roll routine and move on.


Then again a simple reply of "U tink me shill, me tink U shill" may generate a chuckle...

[qpw]

Originally Posted by Monteroy

Kind of getting into the strange conspiracy area here, and frankly his methods of "making money" have not really been demonstrated as clever thusfar. Not sure why this is a concern even if it it true.

You cannot fail to have noticed that the entire focus of his activity is to persuade us that regulation is (a) a wonderful thing and (b) about to happen.

The riggedness of the casinos is entirely peripheral to his main thrust.

The sort of people who behave in that way are rather simple and usually dishonest. Their methodology is partly to say anything that will further their cause irrespective of its factual accuracy and partly wishful thinking.

He actually believes if he can convince people that regulation is coming that will make it happen. This is a very childlike way of thinking.

The reverse the roles "no you are a shill" routine was funny the first time. Clever the second time. Got a heh from me the third time. The 20th time? Well...

Then I suggest you put me on ignore for the time being.

You seemed perfectly well able to put up with tk1133 and supperdish hurling accusations of shilling for some months so why you suddenly feel the need to comment on it is a bit of a mystery.

[DMoogle]

Originally Posted by tk1133

Bat I never "right" checks....I usually write them... i've Written them before...One time I Wrote a check...

Now I've seen everything.

[qpw]

Originally Posted by DMoogle

Now I've seen everything.

Hmmm, two things I ain't never seen:

I never seen a elephant fly.

I never seen tk1133 post sense.

[spadebidder]

Originally Posted by qpw

He wants US government regulation of poker sites.

I'm curious how that would be different from the countries already regulating online poker, including UK, Ireland, Italy, Australia, and the UK properties Isle of Man, Alderney, and Gibralter, and a number of other EU members.

Do you think the poker sites run a different game for US players than they do for players in those countries?

[Monteroy]

Originally Posted by qpw

You cannot fail to have noticed that the entire focus of his activity is to persuade us that regulation is (a) a wonderful thing and (b) about to happen.

The riggedness of the casinos is entirely peripheral to his main thrust.

The sort of people who behave in that way are rather simple and usually dishonest. Their methodology is partly to say anything that will further their cause irrespective of its factual accuracy and partly wishful thinking.

He actually believes if he can convince people that regulation is coming that will make it happen. This is a very childlike way of thinking.

Truth be told, I never spent that much time trying to analyze tk. Low IQ riggedologist label is pretty much as deep as it went in my eyes. If I missed some of the intricate subtleties of "tk the man" then so be it.

Originally Posted by qpw

Then I suggest you put me on ignore for the time being.

You seemed perfectly well able to put up with tk1133 and supperdish hurling accusations of shilling for some months so why you suddenly feel the need to comment on it is a bit of a mystery.

I generally do not worry about what people who do not matter say about me. If they want to call me a shill, a lizard person or whatever makes them happy then good for them. If I did then I would get caught in endless "oh yeah/yeah" debates with them on pointless matters like whether I am a lizard person or not (no comment on that by the way).

You seem to enjoy that exercise and that's fine. Keep at it.

Originally Posted by spadebidder

I'm curious how that would be different from the countries already regulating online poker, including UK, Ireland, Italy, and the UK properties Isle of Man, Alderney, and Gibralter, and a number of other EU members.

Do you think the poker sites run a different game for US players than they do for players in those countries?

Yeah, I was kind of wondering about that also. Kind of creates the image that some view the world map as USA and the rest as "unknown 3rd world countries run by evil warlords."

I would like to add that the warlords in Canada are generally polite.

[DMoogle]

Originally Posted by Monteroy

Yeah, I was kind of wondering about that also. Kind of creates the image that some view the world map as USA and the rest as "unknown 3rd world countries run by evil warlords."

I would like to add that the warlords in Canada are generally polite.

Unfortunately I think that's true (that a lot of people have that sort of viewpoint, not that I do).

But if you focus too much on that, then you might forget all the important reasons that it needs more regulation (at least from the U.S.' point of view). We all know the KGC is a bull**** organization. And if someone gets cheated or even worse, hacked, then the way the system is in place now, the victim usually just ends up being screwed. Obviously there are more reasons too, these just came to mind first.