The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 2 - Internet Poker

grindtofreedom · 07-22-2008, 03:42 AM

the funny thing about internet poker being rigged is the more you study and practice and really commit to improving, the less and less rigged it gets.

Devilboy666 · 07-22-2008, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by grindtofreedom

the funny thing about internet poker being rigged is the more you study and practice and really commit to improving, the less and less rigged it gets.

Poker is a game of luck. And the more I practice the luckier I get.

Alexd10 · 07-22-2008, 04:50 AM

lol just remember this quote, " If there weren't bad players making bad calls, then we would never make any money"
Do you really think companies the size or stars and FTP woud rig there cards? ^^

omaha · 07-22-2008, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by okiehustler

JH1. What you say I'm sure is probably somewhat accurate.

But I've been keeping a notepad the past two weeks just to see if I had selective memory.

And it's been that way for four or five weeks. I even had my son watch my games tonight. Losing all six times when you have pocket aces? Come on!

I totally agree with the above poster. After all, he had his son AND A NOTEPAD to check him out.

Unfortunately, i only have a couple of hundred thousand hands (at stars, party) with me up overall.

As for aces, what was the SPR you had on all of the 8 hands? If it was low, then bad beat, if it was high, you prolly suck. If you dont know what spr is, then you prolly do suck

lemming · 07-22-2008, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by okiehustler

Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched to Full Tilt six months ago. The first few months were much better over on Full Tilt.

Now Full Tilt is worse than Poker Stars ever was. The past month has been brutal. Tonight I've had pocket aces six times. All six times I lost to someone with a lower pocket pair.
[...]

Stopped reading there... You have had a few good months, then one bad, and suddenly you shout out? I mean, come on?!... Dunno why I even bothered opening the thread.

If you think online poker on Stars, FullTilt + the like is rigged, THEN WHY ARE YOU PLAYING ONLINE? Go to your local cardroom, have some fun, don't need to bother taking out your notepad + bore your son, desperately seeking some pity, over at the cardroom, lol...

biesas · 07-22-2008, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Devilboy666

Post graph please

you can check me at sharkscope DzemAs on stars (here i played not really often and not really serious, just learning the game), and biesas on FTP (just started to play there on SnGs, maybe one week ago, even when i have not bad results, but i was so many time outdrawn, had setups and bad beats, in those 41 games. i will continue to play and i hope that its variance and i will move up levels pretty fast)

gustavv · 07-22-2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by okiehustler

Tonight I've had pocket aces six times. All six times I lost to someone with a lower pocket pair.

[ ] sick
[X] standard

Devilboy666 · 07-22-2008, 06:22 AM

Isn't the FTP rake higher than Stars on those games?

Nice garph btw

biesas · 07-22-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Devilboy666

Isn't the FTP rake higher than Stars on those games?

its higher, but it should be much higher, but as i said i have met a lot of crap. its just to proofe that i am not looser, and all crap i met in cash games. it was unreal how much set ups, coolers bad beats i had.

anyway, my question is is it possible to calculate such things in objective way? like pokerEv or sklansky bucks?

dtat0529 · 07-22-2008, 06:29 AM

haha at this thread.

Devilboy666 · 07-22-2008, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by biesas

...and all crap i met in cash games.

NOW the truth comes out lol!

Cash games are much tougher than sit and gos and you will probably lose a few buyins before you get used to them.

How many hands did you play in the cash games? What stakes?

biesas · 07-22-2008, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Devilboy666

NOW the truth comes out lol!

Cash games are much tougher than sit and gos and you will probably lose a few buyins before you get used to them.

How many hands did you play in the cash games? What stakes?

i dont have graphs here, because i am at work. i started to play more seriously poker in cash few months ago, i mean bought PT PUD and multitabled. played from zero, i mean from 30$, at microstakes, moved to something like ~400$ on stars within 3 months (about 80k hands), then i thought that it is better to play on FTP because of rakeback. deposited there 210$ played, firslty everything went fine, no st'ups, coolers (i mean normal game)played a little bit NL10$, then started to play NL25$ and moved to something like 650$, the game was fine (but in comparison with stars i had the feeling that i am getting more bad beats, setups, coolers, but pretty normal)
anyway, i took a shot to NL50$, i know is against BR manegement, but i tried. here things went wrong, i lost like 5-6 buy ins there, i mean my winnings were like 7 buy ins lower in comparison with sklansky bucks winnings. also i had coolers and setups. thats why i started to play SnGs to calm down. because if not this crap, my BR would be above 1k$. i dont like to lie to my self, i see there is no point. so i started to play SnGs, and i meet the same "problems" i thought omg, again. donks raising with 74 against mine 99, and hitinh set on the river, again mine Aj against A3 is not good and i am in 4th place, again mine Aj agains Qj is not good and i am on 4th place. a lot of such crap. i never had such experience on stars.
ok maybe its variance, but someone can calclutae the possibilities of such variance? i mean is it possible to use hands history in order to check normal amount of coolers, set ups, bad beats is possible to calculate by sklansky bucks, but what about other two?

APP · 07-22-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by biesas

i dont have graphs here, because i am at work. i started to play more seriously poker in cash few months ago, i mean bought PT PUD and multitabled. played from zero, i mean from 30$, at microstakes, moved to something like ~400$ on stars within 3 months (about 80k hands), then i thought that it is better to play on FTP because of rakeback. deposited there 210$ played, firslty everything went fine, no st'ups, coolers (i mean normal game)played a little bit NL10$, then started to play NL25$ and moved to something like 650$, the game was fine (but in comparison with stars i had the feeling that i am getting more bad beats, setups, coolers, but pretty normal)
anyway, i took a shot to NL50$, i know is against BR manegement, but i tried. here things went wrong, i lost like 5-6 buy ins there, i mean my winnings were like 7 buy ins lower in comparison with sklansky bucks winnings. also i had coolers and setups. thats why i started to play SnGs to calm down. because if not this crap, my BR would be above 1k$. i dont like to lie to my self, i see there is no point. so i started to play SnGs, and i meet the same "problems" i thought omg, again. donks raising with 74 against mine 99, and hitinh set on the river, again mine Aj against A3 is not good and i am in 4th place, again mine Aj agains Qj is not good and i am on 4th place. a lot of such crap. i never had such experience on stars.
ok maybe its variance, but someone can calclutae the possibilities of such variance? i mean is it possible to use hands history in order to check normal amount of coolers, set ups, bad beats is possible to calculate by sklansky bucks, but what about other two?

[ ] normal

Devilboy666 · 07-22-2008, 07:47 AM

Yea man if your idea of a 'normal' game is 'no coolers' then... uh... wat

biesas · 07-22-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Devilboy666

Yea man if your idea of a 'normal' game is 'no coolers' then... uh... wat

no lol, ofcourse there should be coolers, bad beats and set ups i have nothing against them, but when its normal amount, not everytime u r in the big pot.