The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

[qpw]

Originally Posted by tk1133

If one could travel in time, he could play the Sunday Million, then write down or print out all of the hand histories and ship it to himself at 670,616,629 Mph.

It would be a lot easier to go and win a lottery.

What is your point?

[SwedishMedusa]

this puts a whole other spin on the "it's possible" rigtard theories

[tk1133]

Originally Posted by tk1133

If one could travel in time, he could play the Sunday Million, then write down or print out all of the hand histories and ship it to himself at 670,616,629 Mph.

How else would somebody know what cards are coming? Just proving a point...Geez...

[tk1133]

Originally Posted by qpw

It would be a lot easier to go and win a lottery.

What is your point?

The lottery is regulated. The hopper is filled with space time all around the "numeric balls." The butter fly effect will not only obstruct the atmospheric pressure, but the amount of mass around the balls, therefore producing a random draw every time. Regulation prevents time travel to cash the lottery. A man was caught in N.Y manipulating the stocks after traveling back from around 2032.

Comments The above article about a time travelling stock broker came to my attention in late March 2003 as it was circulating through the net a few friends of Andy's Anachronisms forwarded me the article. Apparently YAHOO posted this story under their TV News section called Entertainment News & Gossip [see link below] and somehow some mainstream news agencies picked up the story.

What's fascinating about this story is how it's taken on a life of its own. A quick GOOGLE search for Andrew Carlssin turns up 442 references [April 8, 2003]. I largely attribute it to the fascination of people of making easy money in bad times. Assuming for five seconds that some did travel back in time to play the market, it seems highly unlikely that they would pick 2002 as time to profit on the market. Anyone making such fantastic gains when everyone else is losing their shirt is bound to look suspcious to regulators. Why not travel back to the early 1980s when the market was booming. Such gains would be easier to make and stand a better chance of going unnoticed.

[qpw]

Originally Posted by tk1133

How else would somebody know what cards are coming? Just proving a point...Geez...

That hasn't proved anything.

All you're saying is that if you could travel in time and thus know what cards were coming and what your opponent had you could make a lot of money at poker.

Pretty obvious and it still doesn't explain what point you were trying to make WRT this thread.

[qpw]

Originally Posted by tk1133

The lottery is regulated. The hopper is filled with space time all around the "numeric balls." The butter fly effect will not only obstruct the atmospheric pressure, but the amount of mass around the balls, therefore producing a random draw every time. Regulation prevents time travel to cash the lottery. A man was caught in N.Y manipulating the stocks after traveling back from around 2032.

Poor old tk has finally, completely lost it!

[cjhmdm]

So what are the "odds" of seeing numerous FH's & flushes, 3 4 of a kinds, and a straight flush all at the same table within 2 hours? I'm talking several BIG hands in one sitting at a single table in 2 hours or so...

and even better.. what are the "odds" of seeing a 4 of a kind AND straight flush together?

5 card draw tourny on PStars btw... I won't even get into the crap I sat through in NLHE

Yes, I know this isn't "proof".. but it makes you wonder what the "odds" really are

And yes, I know the sample size isn't "enough" to prove anything since we only played ~200 hands so I won't even bother saying more...

The things that make you go hmmmm

[Arouet]

Originally Posted by qpw

Poor old tk has finally, completely lost it!

too much multitabling rush poker? overloaded his mind? turned on the giggle sauce?

[tk1133]

Originally Posted by Arouet

too much multitabling rush poker? overloaded his mind? turned on the giggle sauce?

LoL, yes I was being silly on purpose. As QPW saw my angle in advance much props.

Now, how stupid do those posts look.

That is dilusional, imaginitive and according to our realm, impossible.(Other then quantum theories)

From the responses it's safe to assume that online poker being rigged(by whatever means) is as mathmaticly possible as time travel.

[spadebidder]

Originally Posted by cjhmdm

So what are the "odds" of seeing numerous FH's & flushes, 3 4 of a kinds, and a straight flush all at the same table within 2 hours? I'm talking several BIG hands in one sitting at a single table in 2 hours or so...

and even better.. what are the "odds" of seeing a 4 of a kind AND straight flush together?

Virtually 100% chance these things will happen to numerous players in fair poker games somewhere today. And it's nearly as certain that one of them will feel moved to post on a message board.

This is not a sarcastic answer.

[Arouet]

Originally Posted by tk1133

LoL, yes I was being silly on purpose. As QPW saw my angle in advance much props.

Now, how stupid do those posts look.

That is dilusional, imaginitive and according to our realm, impossible.(Other then quantum theories)

From the responses it's safe to assume that online poker being rigged(by whatever means) is as mathmaticly possible as time travel.

Your post was better when it was nonsense...

[cjhmdm]

Originally Posted by spadebidder

Virtually 100% chance this will happen to numerous players in numerous fair poker games somewhere today. And it's nearly as certain that one of them will feel moved to post on a message board.

This is not a sarcastic answer.

I figured this would be the type of response I got... it just goes to show that even if I posted hand histories for ~200 hands in a single sitting of 2 hours or so, you could either say "it's not enough data" or simply give a sarcastic reply such as this.

It's like, all of a sudden, the "I know more math than you and the probability of seeing a 4,164:1 '4 of a kind' odds hand twice in ~200 hands is completely explainable.. as is 10 or more 694.2:1 'full houses' odds in those same ~200 hands.. and even 15 or more of the 507.8:1 'flush' odds in those same ~200 hands is absolutely normal by some strange 'quantum physics' level of math that you could never hope to understand, and which I cannot actually explain".

[tk1133]

Originally Posted by Arouet

Your post was better when it was nonsense...

Fine, back to the drawing board.

Originally Posted by SwedishMedusa

but light obv moves at the speed of light, does that mean that light can travel back in time? If I turn on a flashlight now, should I have seen it yesterday?

That made me LoL I dont want to hurt myself by thinking too in depth about this. But a star that is 1 million light years away, you are seeing the light from 10 years ago. I think, every light year is 1 million miles away.

So if you turned on the flash light 1 light year away, you would see it presumably the next year? Following those steps, if you then produced enough energy to punch a hole in spacetime, then you could send the flash light back in time.

Spoiler:

My equations are all wrong ...but you get the point while remaining confused..

[spadebidder]

Originally Posted by tk1133

But a star that is 1 million light years away, you are seeing the light from 10 years ago. I think,

lol

1 million years = 10 years

I think I know what you were trying to say, but light travels 6 trillion miles in a year.

[qpw]

Originally Posted by tk1133

But a star that is 1 million light years away, you are seeing the light from 10 years ago. I think, every light year is 1 million miles away.[/SPOIL]

You see, tk, the thing about a light year, the thing that really defines it, the thing that gives it its name is:

It's the distance light travels in a year.

So if it's a million light years away any photon you see originating from it now was emitted one million years ago.

Of course, as far as the photon is concerned, it was emitted no time ago.

Isn't relativity fun?