I could 1 up them and have a million dollar freeroll... meh make that a billion just don't expect to be paid from me.
I'm not saying they are bad or good. But in todays climate I think the OP should have started off by saying who they are and what safeguards they have in place for their customers should things go south with paypal.

They pay out w/i 24 hours so we will know soon enough. My feeling is why would they spend money in 2 + 2 ad and rep account if they don't intend to pay out? Use common sense.

it's not that i disagree with you, but common sense would also dictate that if someone were planning a mid-long term con it's very possible some marketing would be a +ev investment. paying for what are essentially ads, and having a couple people answer internet questions should not be seen as a sign of legitimacy

What gambling activities does PayPal prohibit?

PayPal prohibits transactions for gambling activities by merchants and account holders in the U.S. and any jurisdiction where gambling activities are illegal, and by merchants whose services are accessible to account holders in the U.S.

Unless the merchant has been approved by PayPal, account holders may not use PayPal to send or receive payments for any form of gambling activities, including but not limited to payments for wagers, gambling debts, and gambling winnings, whether conducted online, in person, or through any other means of communication.

global poker posting that paypal was ok with it is not proof that it is.

Hi OutTaGetMe, the gold coins that you are buying can be use to play. Please note that Global Poker uses two in-game currencies mainly: the Gold Coins and the free $weeps cash that comes with it. You can use your gold coins to play and pass some time, and see or test which table games you prefer the most. Gold Coins let you play for fun, but switch to Sweeps Cash and you can play for REAL MONEY. If you win enough $weeps cash you can cash it out and it will be deposited into your PayPal account as a real cash prize. With regard to our poker tables, you can always send suggestions and feedback at support@globalpoker.co.

This -- frouch guy (or gal) is real kill joy and a newbe at that - just does not know when to quit!!
He has posted all over this forum how bad it is that PayPal allows Global to use them as payment method.
He sounds like an Ultra Conservative who hates everything.
Time to move on and leave Global be.

Perhaps. But my post was not regarding a mid-term con. It was just to use common sense regarding the payout of the $10k freeroll. Nothing more nothing less.

I think you are missing the point of the sweepstakes business model. Their argument is that is not gambling with real money because $eewp money is free., Similar claim made as ClubWPT and NLOP.
Do you really think that you can get free $weep money up to $30 per month completely free by wrinting to them because they are charitable or because it's required to claim the loophole. $weep money is FREE as they claim.

Those are not gambling activities, contrary to your prior post, and are not illegal. Paypal does require the MERCHANT to get approved. That is not really my concern. If its a deal breaker for you then nobody is forcing you to play there. By the way your link is incorrect as it is a gambling link and not the sweepstakes section in PP.

No its not. What you copied and pasted is correct but link you posted does not mention what you copied and pasted

I am not concerned about my PP acct b/c the requirement is for the MERCHANT to get approved.

Does PayPal prohibit transactions associated with games of skill or sweepstakes?

"In addition to the restrictions on gambling activities outlined in the Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal also prohibits transactions for non-gambling activities involving an entry fee and prizes, including games of skill or sweepstakes, unless the merchant has obtained prior approval.* Merchants seeking approval under this policy will need to provide PayPal with information clarifying the legality of their service in all jurisdictions in which they do business as well as information regarding how they block users from jurisdictions where their services may be prohibited.* PayPal reserves the right, at its sole discretion, to approve or decline merchants based upon their business model and the supporting information provided by the merchant."

Upon further review, this section only applies if there is an entry fee. Since $weep money is free, GlobalPoker is exempt from this section. So they don't even need to get approved.

Its the same for US.

https://www.paypal.com/selfhelp/arti...pstakes-faq677

You are quoting gambling and lottery tickets which is incorrect, in particular, when there is a particular specific section directly on point. Sweepstakes and games of skill.

I guess you still don't understand their business sweepstakes model not being gambling.

Involving an entry fee. There is no entry fee in this case as $sweep is free. But you are so dense that I will not waste any more time with you because you are gonna argue even if PP comes here and says its ok. Sites based on this theory have been operating for years without legal issues. ClubWPT even advertises on TV and ESPN.

Their claim is that there is no entry fee because of the reasons stated. You can post on all 3 threads and they are going to ignore you or tell you the same thing I am saying You can play or not play but discussing anything with you is a waste of time b/c you lack reading comprehension. So long.

i think you are missing the point that global poker has to be approved by paypal and no proof has been provided of it nor has global poker stated that paypal has approved them.

What gambling activities does PayPal prohibit?

PayPal prohibits the following activities, even where the specific activity is lawful and/or is not legally defined as gambling, unless the transactions are associated with an approved merchant.

Lottery tickets –Include the purchase or sale of any opportunity to participate in a raffle, drawing, sweepstake, pool, or any other form of game or contest involving the distribution of prizes or monetary compensation.

the link is correct as sweepstakes is covered under it as cited. you can cite and source any others since you have provided none.

per another user, the link is correct as sweepstakes is covered under it as cited. you can cite and source any others since you have provided none.

What gambling activities does PayPal prohibit?

Unless the merchant has been approved by PayPal, account holders may not use PayPal to send or receive payments for any form of gambling activities, including but not limited to payments for wagers, gambling debts, and gambling winnings, whether conducted online, in person, or through any other means of communication.

Gambling includes placing, accepting, recording, or registering bets; participating in lotteries; or otherwise carrying on a game of chance for money, property, or other things of value

PayPal prohibits the following activities, even where the specific activity is lawful and/or is not legally defined as gambling, unless the transactions are associated with an approved merchant.

Lottery tickets –Include the purchase or sale of any opportunity to participate in a raffle, drawing, sweepstake, pool, or any other form of game or contest involving the distribution of prizes or monetary compensation.

none that i cited is from racing. gambling includes lottery which includes sweepstakes, all of which has been cited and bolded. other forum members can check and comprehend for themselves if you're unable to.

your link is specific to canada only as seen by /ca/ in it. my link is specific to US only as seen by /us/ in it.

all the paypal links have a 2 letter country code. there is no such link for US. load the US help page https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/home and then search sweepstakes and copy and paste your link, there is no such FAQ for US.

you really are unable to follow and comprehend, even the canadian link states

PayPal also prohibits transactions for non-gambling activities involving an entry fee and prizes, including games of skill or sweepstakes, unless the merchant has obtained prior approval.

you interpret the "including" part as depending upon the "involving" part but it doesn't, it just means the "including" part is also what paypal prohibits, plus sweepstakes by their legal definition for US and canada cannot require an entry fee, so per your interpretation if the paypal sentence pertains to only transactions involving an entry fee, then sweepstakes doesn't even need to be in the sentence.

you fail to comprehend my original point that global poker has to be approved by paypal and no proof has been provided of it nor has global poker stated that paypal has approved them, and that paypal doesn't allow its users to receive payments from global poker if they're unapproved and will close those users' accounts, even with text from paypal cited, bolded, and sourced.

also global poker just told me on another thread that they will give a comprehensive answer in a day or 2 about paypal, so i'll wait for that.

Sounds like a great idea - debating over the nuances of Paypal's language is rather unproductive, as I think one could make an argument either way on this, while Global will be in the best position to explain how they feel they meet Paypal's requirements and/or whether they have explicit approval from Paypal. Then everyone can make their own judgements as to whether they feel this is a place where they'd like to play.

I think something we can all agree on... it's stupid to have Paypal as your only deposit/cashout option. Personally, I deposited $150 to try the site out, and when I heard there was a 4.4% fee for cashouts and zero rakeback and ridiculous rake caps for short handed play, I immediately decided to withdraw. Games are very soft, but that only goes so far.

This site has major potential but it has a long way to go first.

so the 4.4% cashout fee is confirmed? what is the rake structure? min. to cashout?

Paypal is very prickly about gambling or anything related to gambling. Site should put up bitcoin processing asap. The sites address is San Fran , I was curious where they are actually located. Ive heard costa rica?

I am not putting a lot of money on the site because of past fiascos so its not a huge deal if things fall apart. I will always remember poker dominicano, what a fiasco. Best promo ever on dominicano. Rake for the freeroll and qualify for big tourney then cancel it with no warning. But I digress. With that said I am really enjoying the site. Hope they add more mtts maybe some knockout ones.

Hi guys. Our HQ is in Perth,Australia we have no operation what so ever in Costa Rica.

Yes I remember you and fran the man. LOL. I agree whats the bit deal if you just have little money on the site. BTC would be good. Maybe they are targeting the neverbtc crowd.

Same thing happened to me, more than once. They have this 'pro' mode which has tables pop up in separate windows and that alleviates a good amount of the issues. If you back out or close the lobby, the popups still close, but you are not going back to look at anything since it is on the 'lobby' page. Greatly reduces the chance of it happening, at least for me.

I'll chime in on wanting Bitcoin transactions.

Good luck with a company like this genuinely accepting bitcoins, I doubt they will even fake accept them (using a middle exchange place) any time soon.

This is fully one of those play at your own risk sites. Does anyone really believe paypal approved them? I doubt it, but that is part of the risk. The rep here has a strong feeling of a guy working for a dude in a basement who owns a skin on a small site. His responses (for only those posts he acknowledges) concerns me more than the legality of paypal debate. While that sounds bad, that does not mean that making money is impossible, just acknowledge the risk (main one being paypal looks at them and goes LOLClosed).

Monteroy. Thats a very specific feeling to have Hey listen. I get you have doubts and its healthy to question things and dont take everything at face value. I have worked with online poker longer than most, been thru the hey days and also lived through black friday, and scandals like AP UB and FT. So I can really understand where you are coming from. We are in the process to publish a full statement of who we are, what makes us legal, how we are funded et.c. So please bare with us and you will see that what we are doing is really the new way to play online poker in the US.

Most poker sites offer Paypal deposits/withdrawals - Stars, Party, 888, most iPoker/MG skins etc.

I want to believe. I have played on the sub sites. A lot of them went by the wayside giving away way too much money at the beginning then waiting for more funding that never came. I really believe this model can revolutionize u.s.a poker.Sweepstakes poker has always been tournament driven only. Wading thru thousands of donks like with barry and spade club poker along with wpt.

Global is the first subscription based model that has incorporated ringcash games to go along with tournaments. This has never been done or attempted in subscription based poker. I don't get all the vitriol directed at global. If they don't succeed they won't be the first subscription site to do so. I find it exciting to see a site that is subscription based that is offering ring cash games. By generating rake the site is giving itself revenue that the other sub sites never had and has a legit chance if governmental type factors don't come in to play. Its time to board the global subscription train and take it for a ride. It looks like they have the funding they have the advertising and budget. Would rather see them advertise in facebook forums to attract the donks more then the savvy player found on 2 plus 2.

Looking forward to reading up on who global really is and what they are all about.

Only in a few countries with explicit licensing, like the UK.

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yep, and those sites don't serve the US except New Jersey where the state approved them to, and the sites are specific for that state only. paypal serves some of the state specific sites.

it's not a subscription based model though, rather you can buy packages of gold coins as global poker said in here and that they use the sweepstakes business model.

The specific feeling comes from a longer than your experience of talking to various operators of all sizes. I have lost count of the rooms (poker and/or casino) I worked with as an affiliate/consultant, and many of them had the same 2 dudes in a basement feel as you are giving off with your posts. Again, that does not mean all are bad. I started working with BCP at Black Friday and they were quite literally 2 dudes in a basement, but they had a reasonable plan and did well with the business, and eventually sold it to the Winning network.

I believe you are genuine and passionate about making your room work, but those are not special features, rather they are a requirement. I do have strong concerns with the fragility of your model in terms of payment structure (paypal only), and as well security. Lots of rooms offered players some free money, and even a small amount gets abused hard by those who create dozens or hundreds of accounts to chip dump/cashout. I have not read anything that makes me think your room does much if anything about this (perhaps it has not been abused yet due to a lack of knowledge, but that will change). The blind faith that your buy a turnip/ get free fancy money/ play with free fancy money/ cash out free fancy money as actual currency will work as a solution to directly using real money is a bit naive as well.

With all of that said - best of luck getting this to work, and if you are transparent on a lot more topics in the future then that will be a better sign. To date though it has been a bit Trumpian in promises of lists and information (paypal validation details, security procedures etc.) that never quite materialize.

You certainly have people that hope you succeed, so use that as an incentive to do this right.

A few thoughts on Monteroy's post from another oldtimer:

I definitely feel like there's more than two dudes in a basement going on here. Do you think they're faking having at least four people answering support questions on 2+2? There's also clearly some substantial financial backing; even if you want to discount the freerolls, sponsoring a forum on 2+2 ain't cheap, and I expect 2+2 does some due diligence at least to make sure they'll be able to keep paying.

This is just a feeling, and nobody should make decisions based on my feeling. But from their actions here Global strikes me more as the kind of site that would fail and close up in an orderly fashion rather than the kind of site that vanishes with everybody's money.

Really, even in just a week here, I feel like they're doing at least as good a job of support as any site has on 2+2 other than Stars in the glory days. Hopefully that will continue past launch enthusiasm.

Moneteroy has a point about free money and gnome accounts, and you should be prepared for that (and the chip dumping that goes with it).

I'm also skeptical of the business model, but I feel like getting Bitcoin running would help that. I'm not so worried about Paypal - I don't think I've ever heard about anyone managing to put anything over on Paypal for any length of time and getting frozen later. They get you in the first day or they don't get you. But obviously if at any point this goes before a judge, you're going to get laughed at. I think there's a good chance it doesn't for quite some time, though. You've got good timing in terms of Federal prosecutors having other things to worry about at the moment.

I feel like I've seen this software before. There was a Bitcoin casino that used it? Or do the lobbies just look really similar? Global, I'd really like to know if you control your software or if you're licensing if from someone. This tends to be a really key factor in success of poker companies.