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Old 02-15-2008, 02:31 PM   #1
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Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

For those of you who don’t already know, I am “pokergirl z” (Full Tilt), “Sillysal” (WSEX), and “Mad Haddie” (PokerStars). My former boyfriend had “Greggo777 (Full Tilt), which I played occasionally.


As many of you know, I was accused and convicted of being a bot on Full Tilt Poker and consequently had $47,000 dollars confiscated. I believe that I was reported to FTP by MrGatorade (who plays as “Thorpie” on PokerStars) as a bot player. I realized that by the end of the original Sillysal thread (see: Full Tilt Froze My Account With 47 Grand In It) that discussed the facts, opinions and the handling of the case by FTP, sentiment swung from initially being supportive of my situation to skeptical, at best, of my innocence. It was very frustrating for me as once you are accused of being a bot there is no real quantifiable means of defending yourself. And what makes matters worse is that your funds are then distributed to other players which creates a financial motivation to point the finger at your fellow poker player.


MrGatorade claims that he has methods for detecting bots. He has become a self-appointed “bot-hunter” vigilante who is not qualified to be a master sleuth or even a security guard at Wal-Mart (with all due respect to Wal-Mart) with his “wanna-be cop” attitude. MrGatorade has accused me of being a bot for years and on several occasions has given out the phone numbers and/or email addresses of the poker sites’ security to put pressure on the site to have me barred and my money confiscated. He claims that “stats don’t lie” – but the fact is, he lies. Just because my stats are similar to other good players does not make me a bot. If 100 human players used David Sklansky’s pre-flop requirements, then by Gatorade’s logic, those 100 humans would be bots.


Having lost the battle at Full Tilt was devastating to me personally as I was put in the impossible position of having to prove the negative, that I was not a bot. I knew I had to protect myself and the only way I could think of doing that was to install video cameras that recorded me playing. Perhaps now I can provide some evidence of my innocence, as stated by an independent and highly respect third party (Poker Stars) with visual proof of MrGatorade falsely identifying me as a bot while I play him (See link).


Let me finish by saying that Poker Stars’ statement, after investigating my play, was that I was “unquestionably” not a bot. MrGatorade’s crusade to clear the field of good players by labeling them bots must be stopped. He has undoubtedly hurt many other innocent players in his quest to clear the field of competition. Don’t be fooled into thinking he is just looking out for the “best interest of the game.” MrGatorade is getting an edge on the game every time he successfully has a legitimate competitor barred from playing. For every winning player he can have removed from the field, such as myself, there’s more pie he can take for himself.

Please don’t be persuaded to support him in hopes of getting a rebate of confiscated money from winning player’s accounts. This McCarthyism is not good for the game as a whole, and disastrous for honest players who may be unable to prove their innocence within a system that in many cases appears to lack open, fair and objective investigations.


I know that there are many people out there experiencing the same harassment from MrGatorade (and any of his alter egos or network of associates). We must campaign together and put a stop to his selfish abhorrent behavior.


I have three things that I hope to accomplish with this posting. First, I want my play cleared. I have never and will never use a bot to play any of my accounts on the internet. Secondly, I want my money returned to me from Full Tilt Poker. I did not deserve to have it taken from me. And finally, MrGatorade’s misdeeds towards all of us needs to be exposed and eliminated. The poker sites we play on need to recognize MrGatorade’s scam and stop him from using their companies to accomplish his thieving goals.


I hope that after viewing these video clips and reading the validation provided by Poker Stars I have helped to confirm and explain some things that, up until now, have only been speculation. I will say this one more time – I have never and will never use a bot to play any of my accounts on the internet.

Thank you, Sillysal

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Old 02-15-2008, 02:45 PM   #2
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

Finally some pics. Post more.
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:52 PM   #3
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

Hi pokergirl z, I don't think you used a bot while playing me.

Good luck.
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:54 PM   #4
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

not too shabby I didnt see any videos, however you cant be a bot you are a Female.
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:08 PM   #5
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

I have always called bull**** on that **** MrGatorade...
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:09 PM   #6
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

If fulltilt froze your account and took your cash, you are a bot.

You cheating witch
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:39 PM   #7
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

sillysal,

I have no educated opinion as to your guilt or innocence despite loosely following the original threads. I hate botting almost as much as false accusations/condemnations.

One thing I wonder is that when you choose to play at WPX I only see you at the table which don't offer hand histories and would be curious to hear your reasons for doing so. This seems to be somewhat contrary to the habits of other players in the mid/high stakes at that site.

Also, being that I didn't thoroughly comb through all the threads about this could you share your Stars correspondence regarding this:

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Poker Stars’ statement, after investigating my play, was that I was “unquestionably” not a bot.
If you're innocent I think what happened is terrible, but to be frank I'd have real misgivings sitting in a game with you.
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:40 PM   #8
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

I don't see how you proved anything at all except you didn't use a bot on PokerStars.
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:50 PM   #9
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

Your never going to get the cash back.
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:50 PM   #10
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

I agree with others that the video proves very little and i have no idea if you ever used a bot.However i do agree that MrGatorade has used witch trial mentality while throwing some of his accusations around.That is wrong.
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:56 PM   #11
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

Regardless of the videos (not so sure what they were intended to show as they are vids of playing on stars), but what do you expect to accomplish here?

I can't imagine tilt changing their minds and giving your funds back after all this. Unless you plan on taking legal action against them (not sure how that would work), I don't see what recourse you think you have.
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:56 PM   #12
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

nice setup..

and lol u hit and ran him in the first video!
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:58 PM   #13
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

I see mrgatorade on ftp (thecomplainer) berating players all the time accusing them as being bots....strange.

At first I thought he might have some merit to his claims but seeing him accuse just about everyone that wins vs him as bots is a bit weird.
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:00 PM   #14
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

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I don't see how you proved anything at all except you didn't use a bot on PokerStars.
Also, I'd have to go back and reread the old thread again- but I don't think it was left as "she's a bot" in an official word from Tilt as much as it was "she has broken something in the t&c".

Silliysal congrats on not being a bot at Stars but I'm not sure how that helps that other thread out at this point.

yeah this further confirms that gatorade is out of control- but we've known that for a long time now.
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:03 PM   #15
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Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it...ROUND TWO

Yea, she did admit to using multiple accounts from what I read, but that was according to full tilt and they didn't go into much detail about it.

She also admitted to breaking some other T&C rules I THINK. If that's the case and even if she wasn't using a bot, can't tilt confiscate her funds just for the above violations?
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