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10-04-2009 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Klever187
silly sal is definitely hotter than any 2+2 chick here anyway w/e
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Originally Posted by s182_kid
+1
If by +1 you mean completely wrong then yes.
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10-04-2009 , 05:26 AM
SillySal how funny is the name of Full Tilt's lawyer? That cracked me up bigtime.
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10-04-2009 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Rek
If she had been open, honest and participated fully in her threads here it may have helped. The fact she didn't and doesn't makes me doubt her.

This thread is already going the same way as the last 2. People will rake over the same ground and sillysal will say next to nothing and hardly make an appearance any more. Her friends will chime in though and tell us she is whiter than white.
That's true, but FTP has not been more communicative than SillySal. In fact, except for some small period of time, on many occasions FTP has not been more communicative than UltimateBet in the cheating scandal ...
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10-04-2009 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by UNFINGREAL
Not sure if this has been mentioned but what happened to the money that was seized ? I have heard nothing of any of the players that played against this "bot" getting any kind of reimbursement. No FTP just pockets the money? LAUGHABLE. Basically if what ftp claims is true. Lary cheated players out of money and then ftp pockets the illegitimately won money. Online poker is going downhill quick imo. We need regulation in a bad way.
Can someone tell me when the funds were initially siezed from this player? I received compensation from Full Tilt two years ago (sept. 20th, 2007) for what Full Tilt discoverd in an email directed to me as 'unauthorized automated software'.

They did not list names and wouldn't even tell me what hands/sessions it occured, but credited my account a couple hundred dollars. I am pretty adament that that number was about 15k light.
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10-05-2009 , 12:17 AM
Obviously we don't have all the facts yet, but this feels like it could very well be true. 1/2 FR limit has had the same winning regs at it for years who felt very botty. If anyone has a very large sample size at this limit, it might be a good place to start looking, fwiw.

This would also explain stories I've heard of Ferguson spending hours and hours working on the nitty gritty of poker theory on his computer when he seems to play by "gut" a lot more often then most "math guys" like Paul Magriel.

Also I got doomswitched when I made fun of Bloch's alligator skin hat.
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10-05-2009 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Aragorn
We really need legal online poker in the US, where the sites are regulated. In the meantime, players need rights.
While poker remains unregulated in the US players will continue to have no rights. It's ironic they continue to use morality to justify the situation yet punish those willing to pay their fair share.
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10-05-2009 , 01:04 AM
rigtard or not...

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Originally Posted by icancount2one
Also I got doomswitched when I made fun of Bloch's alligator skin hat.
you certainly know an awful hat when you see it. it is worse than a toupe imo.
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10-05-2009 , 02:15 AM
Poker News Daily has a story on it.

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/full-t...-bot-use-5376/
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10-05-2009 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by indianaV8
That's true, but FTP has not been more communicative than SillySal. In fact, except for some small period of time, on many occasions FTP has not been more communicative than UltimateBet in the cheating scandal ...
This is not a very reasonble analogy at all.
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10-05-2009 , 07:19 PM
Very interesting....

-Crazy Mike
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10-05-2009 , 07:24 PM
OP, you should be ashamed of yourself. Did anyone actually read the complaint? I'm not a lawyer but basically every element besides the "full tilt took my $" is a red herring waste of time, and most of it seems fabricated from thin air. For instance, it accuses full tilt of letting their red pros play with house money, it accuses Chris Ferguson and Andy Bloch of developing and running bots on Full Tilt. I'll be amused to see how they can provide any evidence of this.

As someone said they probably hope to sensationalize it enough to get a settlement, but this is like the definition of a frivolous lawsuit.
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10-05-2009 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by icancount2one
Obviously we don't have all the facts yet, but this feels like it could very well be true. 1/2 FR limit has had the same winning regs at it for years who felt very botty.

If anyone has a very large sample size at this limit, it might be a good place to start looking, fwiw.
You think it might be?

I'm sure you will be the first of many tinfoil hatters to come out of the woodwork because of the frivolous aspects of this lawsuit.
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10-09-2009 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by novahunterpa
I don't know about FT using bots or if you can prove that or not. As far as FT closing your account and taking your money, if this is what they did and can't prove they had a legit reason then it's good your going after them. Sites need to know they can't just seize players account's whenever they want and say "our decision is final" without evidence or some way for the player to prove they are innocent.
This is exactly what they did to me as well, i posted about it here on 2+2 but for whatever reason my post got deleted. FYI- I never colluded, i dont have multiple accounts and i have no idea why.

They really just deleted my account and wont even email me back- I have heard nothing from them at all (despite me sending them 5-6 emails)! and my account and $ are gone. Thankfully it wasnt for that much $ but its complete b.s. that a company can just delete your account take your $ and nothing happens.

At this point i wish theyd just at least email me back and say "hey we decided to steal your **** or whatever" So i could just move on and quit feeling compelled to check my email when there obviously not getting back to me- they actually didnt accept my last 2 emails, lol. what a waste of time and such a b.s. company.

Evrything i said was 100% honest feel free to contact me via p.m. if any of u can put me in touch with someone at fulltilt.
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10-09-2009 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tonetone
This is exactly what they did to me as well, i posted about it here on 2+2 but for whatever reason my post got deleted. FYI- I never colluded, i dont have multiple accounts and i have no idea why.
They'll e-mail you a reason when the investigations done, if you did nothing wrong they will send you your money.
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10-09-2009 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
OP, you should be ashamed of yourself. Did anyone actually read the complaint? I'm not a lawyer but basically every element besides the "full tilt took my $" is a red herring waste of time, and most of it seems fabricated from thin air. For instance, it accuses full tilt of letting their red pros play with house money, it accuses Chris Ferguson and Andy Bloch of developing and running bots on Full Tilt. I'll be amused to see how they can provide any evidence of this.

As someone said they probably hope to sensationalize it enough to get a settlement, but this is like the definition of a frivolous lawsuit.
I think the lawyer is going to give up pretty quick if FTP shows any determination at all. No way taking 1/3 of $80k (standard contingency fee) will net a reasonable hourly rate if this goes to trial.
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10-09-2009 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by gtpitch
QFT

**** me to tears if that is your girlfriend.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 10-10-2009 at 05:05 AM.
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10-09-2009 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
OP, you should be ashamed of yourself. Did anyone actually read the complaint? I'm not a lawyer but basically every element besides the "full tilt took my $" is a red herring waste of time, and most of it seems fabricated from thin air. For instance, it accuses full tilt of letting their red pros play with house money, it accuses Chris Ferguson and Andy Bloch of developing and running bots on Full Tilt. I'll be amused to see how they can provide any evidence of this.

As someone said they probably hope to sensationalize it enough to get a settlement, but this is like the definition of a frivolous lawsuit.
Have you watched the movie 21? It's based on true story (where Andy Bloch is the hero).

Ferguson has a record of developing bots (on IRC). Some time later, he designed the FTP software.

I think everyone can be fairly confident that FTP doesn't have any bad practices or deceive players in any way today, but what they did in the past until they reach where they are today, well, in the least, we can't know 100% and I certainly won't be as sure as you.

(And it's obvious that the goal of Sillysal is to settle this, or get her money back plus damages. If she goes into accusations beyond what directly relates to her case, but things that are of general concern of every player and her in particular, as a mean to win her case, this shouldn't be abig deal).
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10-09-2009 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by indianaV8
Have you watched the movie 21? It's based on true story (where Andy Bloch is the hero).
I'm pretty sure the main character represents real-life player Jeff Ma. But Bloch was definitely on the team during that time too.
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10-09-2009 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tonetone
they actually didnt accept my last 2 emails.
please elaborate. what do you mean didnt accept?
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10-09-2009 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by eastern motors
I think the lawyer is going to give up pretty quick if FTP shows any determination at all. No way taking 1/3 of $80k (standard contingency fee) will net a reasonable hourly rate if this goes to trial.

it will likely be 40% + expert witness fee if they go to trial. contingency may be 40% regardless.
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10-09-2009 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GrannyMae
it will likely be 40% + expert witness fee if they go to trial. contingency may be 40% regardless.
I'd give this 100:1 against getting to trial. They'll have a couple meetings and the most likely outcome is the case will be dismissed, just like Gowan. Failing that, FT will settle before getting anywhere near a courtroom. And I doubt they'll give up more than the actual amount confiscated, if that. People looking forward to evidence and depositions about bots and stuff are in for a disappointment.
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10-09-2009 , 10:01 PM
IF I HAD A GUN TO MY HEAD AND WAS ASKED IS FULL TILT RIIGED SOME HOW IF IM WRONG I DIE . I WOULD SAY RIGGED
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10-09-2009 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
IF I HAD A GUN TO MY HEAD AND WAS ASKED IS FULL TILT RIIGED SOME HOW IF IM WRONG I DIE . I WOULD SAY RIGGED
lol
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10-09-2009 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
IF I HAD A GUN TO MY HEAD AND WAS ASKED IS FULL TILT RIIGED SOME HOW IF IM WRONG I DIE . I WOULD SAY RIGGED
Why would this scenario ever happen? Never mind, you believe...
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10-09-2009 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Enervate
**** me to tears if that is your girlfriend.
bff=/=bf afaik

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