Good to see Fulltilt trying something, and giving more back to the players.
Being able to convert points for cash is great!
People will always find faults and want more.

convert money 200 ftp = 1$ ? only?

Hows about they bring back the 27% flat rb they used to give pre BF. Maybe then they might get the 80-100k peak players on their site as opposed to the 20k they have now!

If a player obtains Black Card midway through the promotion period is his play back tracked? It specifically mentioned mid month, but if a player started at FTP now with 0 points and qualified for BC after say 3 months, will his previous 3 months play be taken into account at the end of the 6 month qualifying period? (assuming that 1 or 2 of them count as his 4 best months)

I ran the Black Card VIP through my multi-site-VIP-calculator. This program boosts the effective rakeback considerably (>5%) for players averaging $1.4k rake per month or more.

Thus Full Tilt now offers approximately the same rakeback as pokerstars for players with a monthly volume of $3k or less.

The following graph shows the effektive rakeback for 4 of the major sites depending on the yearly rake* – the black card program kicks in at about $16.6k rake per year:



Same graph, but for larger rake volumes:



*The numbers in those graphs reflect that pokerstars takes on average 8 to 10% less rake than all competitors.

» Much more detailed Rakeback comparison including the new black card program

I have a black card and i want sponsorship but Shyam nobody is playing PLO on your site for the last 4-5 days in between 2-4 and 5-10 normal and deep tables... please try finding players

I think you'll need to have the US players back for that.

this reads like a rake race.

It's pretty disappointing you guys built this up as a cool competition, but you're not paying out any real money. This all just benefits you and barely benefits the player. You guys just want us to be rakeback grinders, I'm pretty insulted.

Your motto should be something like "Full Tilt Poker, where the pros grind for rakeback"

or

"Full tilt poker, we took your money before, and we're doing it again in style baby!"

Does anyone have any guess on what division will be the easiest to win based on likely competition?

Since other games is not divided by stakes wouldn't the winner obviously be a nosebleed player? I've had 3 cups of coffee and this is still really complicated.

I was looking forward to this competition but satellite players don't qualify and a low stake Limit player has no chance. It is confusing so maybe I'm off base so please someone correct me if my assessment is wrong.

this thing should be benefiting the lower stakes players more than the nosebleed players.

There's pretty much no incentive for really good high stakes players to go for this. I thought FTP would brand this as something prestigious, something worth bragging about...instead it's, hey bro, i put in 150k hands last month...sickkk...

LOL at calling it 100% Edge Rewards [ie rackback]

30day rolling to BC would of been good. Some of the ipoker tables dont run as much, ftp could of been a good 2nd site to play on, but 500points/100 day for little back is a joke.

old ftp:






new ftp:

so i have to rake $50/day for 100 days to get that black card, right?
main question do i have to play daily and rake those $50/day? or just rake the $5k in 100 days even thou i might just play 60-70 days
thank you guys

shame i cant play on titan

Right, you'd need the 500 FTP rolling average to have the manual conversion option available to you. If you're gifted into Black Card you'll only have the "automatically convert my FTPs every week" option, which converts all FTPs you earned that week only.

There is no Black Card store, just a Diamond Edge store (which Black Card players can use as well, obviously).

If you opt in, your entire month counts. However, if you opt in for the first time in, say, October, your July-September numbers wouldn't count. Which means you'd only have up to 3 months worth of scores available instead of the full 4.

How so? The only volume requirement is that you have to be Black Card to be on the Black Card leaderboard. The rest is all about who can beat the most (and best) other players. Based on our simulations of the past few months, it was quite far from a rake race.

I think "Other Ring Games" will be pretty wide open.

I don't know if that's obvious. In one of the simulations, we had one nosebleed player in the top 20 in that category. Isildur was 24th.

It all depends on which players find this competition the most appealing I'd say. We tried to keep the stake multipliers reasonable to give lower stakes players a chance. I do agree though, all other things being equal, the higher stakes players probably have a bit of an advantage here.

Yeah, your particular situation may not fit well with the current structure of the Black Card leaderboards. If this thing is successful it's quite possible we'll be adding new leaderboards to the mix in January.

$5K in 100 days no matter when you earn in that 100 day period. It's a rolling average, if that makes sense.

In a Mixed Game, the "BB ahead"-thing counts for the whole Mixed Game itself?

e.g. +150BB at OE vs xx = ++? Points
or -200BB at O(E) vs xx = ----? Points
and +50BB at O(E) vs xx = +? Points


EDIT: Also, would you mind posting some simulations? Annonymous, ofc. Like the stakes the player mainly played, and far more important (regarding "other): which games did the leading players mostly play? I see this one be dominated by one or two of 20 other games, which run FAR more.

This promotion is great and most exciting is an idea of black card pro withh 100% rakeback. But here is where you are making mistake. 6 months of qualification is too much. Here is what I will do: I'll go for BC to clear my 900K FT points, will try to top that BC Leaderboards. But very likely in the end of July I'll see that I have no chance to top BC LBs and there is no need to waste another 5 months on it. So my next step will be going back to pokerstars and clearing milestones as supernova with higher rakeback and larger players pool.
1 month qualification period for BC pro, that's where the money is! 1 month of 100% rakeback and $3333 bonus as a reward, oh, I would grind my teeth off to achieve it, month after month.

i do agree with that 6 months is a bit too much. monthly is to luck based, tho (whoever runs hotter for 1 month will win each leaderboard) so i think quaterly is better, imo

could be monthly

who cares if the luck factor is more present

Hi Shyam Markus

I am a little confused.

I was black card for the whole time it existed - I was even (apparently) sent a black card three times (they never turned up though)

But since FTP came back I have played a bit. A few weeks ago I finally fell from Diamond to Platinum.

If you were to 'bump' me up to BC... then I would be motivated to play through 500 ftp a day. But if I don't get that bump... then TBH I will just play a smaller amount and not be bothered to put in any volume.

I just can't work out if you mean that we will get a bump? Or if just people who play on Party and Stars will? I have always played on just FTP... my volume has gone down as there isn't much traffic and the rewards have been a bit poo since it came back (I miss IM)

I think if people on other sites get a bump, people who always had BC before should too???? But then maybe I am being selfish. As if you just bump me from Platinum to Diamond ... I won't bother going for BC....

So my long winded question... will FTP players who had BC (especially ones who maintained it for the whole time) get a bump, even if they have since not played anywhere near as much volume?

Thanks

Cool, the first answer here is a good concise answer. TY.

The 2nd, while I think I know what you're saying I'd like to clarify. So if one has left over points from pre BF, moves, gets reinstated those points will instantly be able to be used in the Edge store?

can you actually lose point if you do bad vs ''x'' opponent ? or u just dont get any point in that case ?

any plan on improving the diamond store ? I mean its bad, way worse than the public store.

I am very sure this will not happen, sorry


WRT to the 20k ftops or 20k bonus, if the bonus is so easy to unluck it seems like an easy choice for those who actually win these sponsorships, it's more value in a 20k bonus that is essentially a lock, rather than having to play all the ftops events, including ones like razz and omaha which maybe they don't want to/know how to play, making it less +ev when they can take the bonus and just play the ones they want. Should've made it 20k ftops entries or 15k bonus IMO, too late now though

unfair to have 1 leaderboard for HU ring, all games, all stakes and have the HU SNG leaderboards split into 4 i play alot of small stakes PLO HU and this system screws me pretty hard :P maybe there should be an option to choose which leaderboard you partake in, so i could pick PLO low instead??

i dont think theres a limit you can participate in all LB if u want