FTP Black Card Thread

[bleffo19]

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/black-card

discuss. looks like FTP's answer to SN/SNE. should be interesting to see responses to this

[udbrky]

[Barrin6]

A card, that is black.

[Lrgetrout]

Interesting.

Going to have to calculate the correlation between this and Stars system, let's see if I can do the math without hacking it up. Back in a bit.

[Nookx]

This is cool but really it all depends on whats in the store and how good it is.

[udbrky]

Originally Posted by Lrgetrout

Interesting.

Going to have to calculate the correlation between this and Stars system, let's see if I can do the math without hacking it up. Back in a bit.

I'm interested in seeing how you'll come up with these #s. Please show your maths.

[Tapirboy]

Interesting, but if this is all there is, it's going to disappoint a lot of people.

[Longy]

The store isn't available yet, so there no is numbers to work with.

I already predict there will be much moaning in this thread when ppl realise it isn't as good as they had hoped.

500 points for Tournament players is $71.43 so you have to rake just over $2000 a month to get on the scheme.

[La Brujita]

jesus i get like 4x more than 500 points a day and they will just lump me in with everyone else?

[jdawg91]

i didnt look, but id guess fail

[Lrgetrout]

500*365=182500 FTP minimum needed per year to retain continuous Black Card membership.

Each FTP correlates 1-1 to rake, so that would be $182500 in rake paid in pots you were dealt into.

All calculations assume full tables at all times (Just because table size is a bit hard to quantify...).

Full Ring:
$182500/9*6=121667 VPP

6 max:
$182500/6*5.5=167292 VPP

Heads Up:
$182500/2*5.5=501875 VPP, well into SNE status

Tournaments:
182500 FTP/7=$26071.43 in tournament fees paid.

$26071.43*5.5=143392 VPP

So in all cases, it is slightly easier to get Supernova than it is to retain continuous Black Card membership.

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Now, for a "One shot" Black Card Status:

50000 FTP in 100 days. (Note you will retain Black Card membership for 50 days after this, even if you don't play another hand.)

Full Ring:
$50000/9*6=33333 VPP (One third of the way to SN.)

6 max:
$50000/6*5.5=45833 VPP (Nearly halfway to SN.)

Heads Up:
$50000/2*5.5=137500 VPP (Already SN)

Tournaments:
$50000/7*5.5=39286 VPP

So, for the effort, you might as well obtain SN at Stars, as even at full ring, you are already 1/3 of the way there.

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So unless I've messed the math up badly somewhere along the way, unless FT makes the items in the store roughly equivalent to at least SN status, it won't be worth it.

(Yes, you'd have to subtract rakeback from this, I'm having trouble wrapping my head around that right now. Maybe someone else can pick that calculation up...)

[tercet]

So will this makeup for ftp refusing to give me rakeback?

[Tapirboy]

Originally Posted by Lrgetrout

So, for the effort, you might as well obtain SN at Stars, as even at full ring, you are already 1/3 of the way there.

Good math but I disagree with the conclusion. FTP 27% rakeback plus points plus Iron Man is already better than Supernova until well past the annual Black Card points. Black Card might push that a little farther. Calcs shouldn't be too hard once we have the data.

ETA: though some strategic thought makes me guess they're primarily targeting the 300k VPP level.

[LeapFrog]

Originally Posted by tercet

So will this makeup for ftp refusing to give me rakeback?

I would guess not even close. Good thing I cleared cookies back in the day.

On the plus side, the faq says you will be able to buy bonii with previously worthless full tilt points.

[talkinaway]

When this goes up, it'd be nice of them to give players some form of retroactive credit so we can start Black Carding ASAP. I'd say count the number of Iron Man months you earned in this past 12 months, and each month gets you 5 days of 500 point credit. You can get 60 days this way, and thus get your black card in 40 days after it starts, rather than over 3 months.

Very intersted to see the "perks".