I made the speculation on stars before the DOJ made an agreement with both sites to facilitate the return of player funds.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

You can hate me for being pessimistic. However, to say my supporting arguments are weak either means, 1. You did not read what I wrote. 2. You are unable or unwilling to comprehend it.

Anyone else missing playing on FT? Is there some kind of support out there yet?

Most of these aren't real answers, there passive statements to calm the masses. Understandably so with the legal mess you've created. Thanks for the vague update...I guess

Raking money from a pool of cash that might not even be in their control anymore...

Look at all the angles.

What can you all do?, you have no choice but to be patient and wait, but I can't count how many times, and different ways I've heard "the checks in the mail" before, GL.

I'm sure an honorable poster like cocopoco will admit he was wrong when FTP pays US customers, and not just vanish/pretend he never said anything.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they didn't read it or can't comprehend it. They are weak mainly because you are not involved with the situation. You are an outsider like all of us and completely in the dark about everything. Having emails from other companies who had similar verbage that Full Tilt used and went bankrupt and trying to use that to infer the same will happen to Full Tilt is weak. You nailed it. You speculated and you were wrong. You are speculating again in an abrasive, fear-mongering way and imo will be wrong again. But, I'm open minded enough not to make any predictions and wait calmly without judgment on the sidelines because I, like you, have no idea what WILL happen.

I would be the first to say I was wrong.

I sure hope I am wrong about this too. As a poker player I want as much money kept in the community as possible.

It's only abrasive and fearful to someone who is delusional about reality. Someone with no vested interest can see clearly. A mod in this thread even said Doug's response was unacceptable.

i bought the 5k bonus 3 days before blackfriday are they saying ill get those points back? lol

+1. I have like 1,200,000 FTP's and I'm going to be very unhappy if I can't convert them to cash and they just go to waste.

i did buy it and i got 120$s of the 5k lol please give me the rest and take the mgr hit. give me half i dont care something!! *cries

Doug this has to be the owrst post in history..

Likely / Might / Probably......these words are all over-used.

How about WILL / DEFINITELY / IS ???

Thanks for the update. Since there is no moneybookers ETA I will withdraw using the bank transfer option instead of waiting around for MB.

I do agree with what you have to say cocopoco. It is very logical to assume that these are all stall tactics because if you look at it objectively, it does look like a stall tactic. Although personally I do find a little info is better than complete darkness.

I'm personally hoping for the best (they return all our money). But I am also not doubting that they might not. It can really go either way but thats my opinion.

I don't understand the hate people are throwing at you when you are just being objective and pointing out some things based on your experience in these situations. I've noticed a lot of people here get really angry when you state anything that contradicts their own beliefs.

My advice to you is to temporarily stop posting these things, There was a guy yesterday that was doing something similar and I think he might have gotten banned. Not 100 percent sure, its just that he stopped posting completely. Could be he gave up or something. But Yeah just stop because people who refuse to listen will not listen.

Edit: Ok yeah I see his name has temp-banned next to it. So yeah just stop man.

lol at waiting for the supa approval for this message gtfo son stars owns you

I'd agree with you if there was any malice connected to my post.

However getting people to accept the possibility of losing their money by presenting logic is not a negative IMO. There are some here that might be counting on that money to fund a future vacation etc. It is important that they get back in touch with reality.

I will continue to post. As to your banning comment. Posting opinions will not get me banned here. Even mods in this thread have echoed nearly exactly what I've said.

Good day.

Well good luck buddy. I do agree with what you are doing if that means anything.

Seems like you are very insistent that all "US money" has to leave the site.

Pokerstars is just letting us provide proof of changed residency - why is FTP taking such a hard line stance here?

Given the choice, I'd rather not have my account completely liquidated with whatever arbitrary algorithm is applied. I'd like to just provide proof that I am now outside of the US, and pick up from there.

I had $7.12 in my first deposit bonus account. Will I be getting that money when I cash out, since I cannot earn any more FTP?

I know $7.12 is NOT a lot, but it's significant to me.

When I started with FT, I deposited $100. I lost at first, like all new players. But I had finally started winning and earned my way back up to $93.90 on Black Friday.

My total, if you count the bonus, will be 101.02 A dollar. A symbolic dollar which means I came out ahead as a "winning" poker player.

Not quite sure what this means. So any US based accounts will be locked upon entry with a non US IP address? And that we need approval before we can play outside of the US with our current account balance? Or as a currently US based player, do we have to cash it all out before depositing again as a foreign player?

e.g. Now I am currently in the United States with a US address. But in 3 months time I will be moving out of the country permanently. Will I be able to play in 3 months time with part of my current balance (or the entire balance) upon approval or is there other procedures that I will have to follow?

And what reason is that? Even if you assume that poker is a game of chance and not skill (i.e., the DOJ's position), freerolls are still legal in all 50 states.

Under every states' law, you can award a prize in a promotion based solely on chance (e.g., a random drawing, rolling dice, whatever) as long as nothing (cash or otherwise) is paid to enter.

Why do you think that the local Best Buy store can give away free TV's as part of a promotion? Because "no purchase necessary to enter."

coco I will bet you probably up to your net worth that FTP pays within a year. I'll even give you odds to compensate for interest of tying up money for a year if you win. You seem pretty sure so I'm sure you'll jump at the chance to bet on something when this thing you're so sure is going to happen only has to happen 50%+ for it to be profitable for you (even if you were planning on investing it and getting interest!). pm if interested. Otherwise plz stfu.

I have over $2K worth of FTPs. If you aren't going to convert them to cash (which is the obvious/easiest answer) at least let me buy an overpriced t.v. for my mom like I did when I panic spent my fpps on stars after the UIEGA.

Huge typo in OP. Change topic to FTP Doesn't Answer 4/28