BINGO

I am almost positive i just found our money (Anyone who is "uncleared" and unable to cash out VIA quicktender currently). To anyone who does not want to read the whole post, I explain a little background on where we believed our funds were, and then where i am almost positive they are now. I then give from my research what i believe is the best way to file a claim.

First off, here is a link showing the PDF file i received from Quicktender in May, proving that my money was wired to me:
http://i52.tinypic.com/o735lc.png

On this file, in the red square, is the Chargestream name and bank account number that was originally listed on the Maryland affidavit. We thought that this was our money, but upon further research by Wilt and others, it was found that our money was NOT in this account. This was the account in The Netherlands, and didn't include any of the "in transit" money. Now, if you look at the bank name in the top left of the PDF file, it is what we discovered is the intermediary bank where our funds were MOST LIKELY frozen. Until 11 days ago, we had no affidavit on forfeiture.gov connected to this bank...

The link is here: http://www.forfeiture.gov/ViewNotice.aspx?n=25154&a=0

^^I am pretty sure this link is only good for 24 hours. After this, you will need to go to forfeiture.gov and search under Deutsche Bank Trust Company.

This has to be it. If you read the dates it is exactly when our funds were seized (My PDF file is even dated 5-16, fitting in the 9 day window on the affidavit). The bank name matches perfectly, and about 1.8 million was seized total. This sounds and seems very possible with the amount of people who spoke up on just 2+2!

Best part is since this was only posted 11 days ago, it leaves us 49 days to file a claim! To file, i am pretty sure this is what needs to be done..

Write a letter or notice that meets the following four guide lines, get it notarized, and mail a copy to the following two addresses:

Guidelines:
(A) identify the specific property claimed;
(B) identify the claimant and state the claimant’s interest in the property;
(C) be signed by the claimant under penalty of perjury; and
(D) name the government attorney to be served with the claim and answer. (Bonnie Glober)

Addresses:
1) Federal Building, 2110 First Street, Room 2-194, Fort Myers, FL 33901
2) Assistant United States Attorney Bonnie Glober, 300 North Hogan Street, Suite 700, Jacksonville, FL 32202


If I am incorrect about anything, or anyone who has been following this whole situation feels that this is NOT the correct account or way to file a claim, then let us know!

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Before sending in a personal claim, i obviously would recommend talking to a Lawyer. I also understand that i have proof to send along with my notice (the PDF file from quicktender), while most of you do not. This may make it a lot harder to prove an interest in your money, unless they have a list of the names and bank accounts of all the incoming wires.

This being said, WiltOnTilt, who has been so great about blogging throughout this whole situation and keeping us up to date started the website stolenbankrolls.com. We might want to consider filing a class action lawsuit, using the claims on stolenbankrolls to get us organized. There is 1.8 MILLION dollars in seized money, possibly making it less likely for individual claims to be considered... Just a thought! Last thing we want to happen is for Florida to deny our claims stating that our funds are illegal, which is definitely a possibility...

This is exciting stuff though, and at least after two months of nothing we have hope again.

Awesome. Thank you very much. Now time to file a claim?

Excellent work BigOlTatties. Sweet find. You just helped save people a huge amount of money. Thanks from everyone!

I'm going to write a blog post soon referencing your find and try to start getting the word out.

For anyone that wants to stay in the loop on this stuff, be sure to enter in your details on stolenbankrolls.com and mark the cleared/uncleared button accordingly. I'll be sending out emails with updates.

Your receipt didn't include a mention of the Deutche Bank Trust acct number 04013685, did it?

This got seized by the USAO in Florida, which seems... weird.

Great job BigOl!

I am super surprised that this thread isn't flooded by now. So many people were caught up in this "uncleared" status.

You were credited with the find in the story on this topic that ran this morning
http://pokerfuse.com/news/law-legisl...leads-florida/

Once again great job!

I hope everyone can get their money back and imo the best way to do that is to participate in stolenbankrolls.com and pool efforts

so we just file a claim and we get our money?

you can file a claim, but you are not guaranteed to receive your funds back

PPA has more info

Thanks for figuring this out - I hope you're right! When someone figures out what the next step is please post it here... I'll be following this thread closely.

I at first thought this was odd, but after thinking about it, all it means is that the investigation was done out of Florida. The account seized by Maryland was in The Netherlands, so why would it be odd that Florida seized an account in New York?

Although my PDF didn't list the account 04013685, it also didn't list an account number at all. It did list Deutsche Bank Trust Company in the top left, though. This is our money. If anyone does talk to a lawyer and send in a personal notice, be sure to post updates in this thread. I personally think I am going to wait to pool a group of us together, for fear that my claim may be denied and i do not have another shot.

Also, this is not new information, but the USAO officially posted this affidavit on their "Official Notification" PDF today, July 28th. That link is:

http://www.forfeiture.gov/pdf/USAO/O...tification.pdf and it is on page 106/840

I believe this link is only good today.

Also, i have found this:
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/flo...v00384/260336/

What is very interesting about this, is that is we have access to the "Pacer system," we can get the history of the case, docket reports, case summary, etc. Another interesting fact is that the defendant is '$1,820,008.93'... aka our money!

I can't find the page that is applicable to this, and I have to head out in a second. Can someone screenshot it and post it here so we all have a copy for whatever lawyers we contact, etc. (In case the link is only good for today) Thanks in advance

Sure thing. Here is the notice http://i53.tinypic.com/28sv7gz.png

Update:

Unfortunately I have some bad news in regards to our case in retrieving the uncleared Quicktender funds. Attorney Biddle contacted Attorney Kay and Mr. Kay directed him to two Attorneys in Tampa Florida to ask them what was going on with our case. Indeed the money was seized from Deutsche Bank but the Government doesn’t see this as the individual poker player’s funds. They see it as money seized from Chargestream and only Chargestream would have standing in making a claim for it.

Attorney Biddle, who specializes in these forfeitures, explained how there is not much he can do on behalf of the individual poker players in negotiating with the US Attorney in Tampa when the US Attorney made it clear that poker players are unsecured creditors (in other words we will lose in a negotiation). Biddle explained that the Government is not interested in negotiating with the players, and that trying to pursue it this way would be a waste of time and money.

Biddle suggested that the next best option could be to go after Chargestream. He doesn’t specialize in this type of lawsuit so we would have to seek new counsel.

If anyone is interested, I uploaded the govt docs referring to this case

I am showing the original complaint here:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...2Nzkz&hl=en_US

And please read the Exhibit I am showing here, you will be surprised at what you see, especially for those who think the govt does not read 2+2 and other forums:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...2ODQ5&hl=en_US

Thanks for posting these, you got them off PACER?