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Old 09-16-2009, 07:49 AM   #1471
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Re: Eurolinx w/d problems > UPDATE: Eurolinx seeks to put business into liquidation.

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arent there any norwegian crime shows on tv. Where they track down scammers and confront them?! That might be an option...
What happens on "Cops - Norway" ?

A big herring caper?

Counterfeit lift-pass ring?
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:49 PM   #1472
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meh I'm not norwegian and just summoned google real quick, but this seems like a good place to send an email to http://www.okokrim.no/in-english

"Økokrim is both a police unit and a prosecution authority. The current director is the chief public prosecutor Einar Høgetveit. The unit is organized in multidisciplinary teams headed by public prosecutors. Each team has a specific field of expertise, such as corruption, computer crime or fraud."

I'm pretty sure you don't need to be norwegian to have a standing with that agency, especially in a case with so much money involved.

Also please report back if you had any success. I might be inclined to report the owner of Rednines (he was Norwegian as well). A police agency might have more success uncovering what actually happend at TUSK than the liquidator bums we got stuck with.


You could try this and might get somewhere. The only thing is I would think the "cop's" would not have much to go on and prob would not initiate an investigation. Why? because the company is in liquidation (they went broke) and right now there is little evidence of any criminal act. I don't see the Norwegian (or anywhere for that matter) authorities spending a lot of time and money investigating without some evidence that crimes were committed.

Once some real evidence is found then maybe the authorities will take up a criminal investigation. We may just have to wait for the liquidators to finish the investigation into EL's funds and if they uncover wrong doing can use this evidence to then try and get someplace to prosecute any criminal act's.
One thing is that the liquidators are going to be focused on the money and may not see value in bring evidence to light for criminal charges, those who want to spend the time and money may have to find private investigtors to dig up evidence and force thru legal means all info to be revealed by the liquidators.

This is why it isn't cheap to hire lawyers and investigators to dig into the company's records and find the money (if any left) and/or find evidence of crimes. If we are lucky by chance a prosecutor somewhere will take up the investigation otherwise the players are the ones who will have to foot the bill to start the investigation.
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Old 09-16-2009, 03:21 PM   #1473
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Re: Eurolinx w/d problems > UPDATE: Eurolinx seeks to put business into liquidation.

The problem is there are no liquidators for Eurolinx.
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Old 09-16-2009, 04:04 PM   #1474
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The problem is there are no liquidators for Eurolinx.
Not yet, but there might be. Even if there is none the problem remains finding evidence of criminal wrongdoing. Company's go out of business everyday and investors, business that are owed money,and other creditors are left trying to get a cut of whats left. Depending on the country the procedures vary on how this is done. As far as the police or prosecutors going after them, it most likely would have to be some major scandal (like Bernie Madoff) before the authority's will launch an investigation into wrongdoing, unless someone can show them some evidence of criminal activity's then they may look into it. Most prosecutors aren't going to get involved in a criminal investigation just because a business went broke and some people lost money, it happens everyday.

The authority's somewhere may infact take at look at this, so its worth calling different agencies trying, all I am saying don't expect them too without something to go on to start a criminal investigation. That's why players if they want to might have to be the ones to pay to start an investigation into EL and it's owners to find some incriminating evidence. It wont be cheap hiring lawyers and investigators to do this, if they uncover shady activity then then can turn it over to the authority's but there is also a chance they find no criminal activity and the money spent on hiring these people is wasted.

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Old 09-17-2009, 04:49 PM   #1475
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Re: Eurolinx w/d problems > UPDATE: Eurolinx seeks to put business into liquidation.

nobody want his money back? omg
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:21 PM   #1476
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http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/marc-k...#comment-55248
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Old 09-18-2009, 05:52 PM   #1477
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Re: Eurolinx w/d problems > UPDATE: Eurolinx seeks to put business into liquidation.

Thank you for your e-mail.



We are shocked and saddened that this has happened to one of our licensees.



We are still awaiting further information ourselves on this matter and, at the moment, we’re unable to offer any further comments. We will release further information as and when we have some to report.



Microgaming’s activities are limited to providing software and poker network services to Eurolinx and BetOnBet, and Casino software to Linx Casino. Microgaming did not provide Sportsbook software to any of the Linx Media Group’s operations.



As with other service providers and online gaming companies, whether software or otherwise, Microgaming does not manage, or have any control over the business activities of its licensees. Nor does it have any right to see the financial records or accounts of its licensees.



Microgaming does not, nor is the company permitted to, hold players’ funds. We recommend that you lodge a claim directly with the liquidator as and when that becomes possible. Microgaming will be taking this course of action, as should all creditors.



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Old 09-18-2009, 09:21 PM   #1478
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Old 09-19-2009, 05:35 AM   #1479
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PND: What’s your guess as to what happened to the millions of dollars that apparently have vanished?

Karam: There are really only two likely scenarios: bad investments or theft.
isn't "bad investments" exactly the same as theft? would it be ok if pokerstars was "investing" our money in high risk stocks or oil wells?
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Old 09-19-2009, 05:42 PM   #1480
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isn't "bad investments" exactly the same as theft? would it be ok if pokerstars was "investing" our money in high risk stocks or oil wells?
It depends if we agreed that they could.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:58 PM   #1481
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Re: Eurolinx w/d problems > UPDATE: Eurolinx seeks to put business into liquidation.

Hi Gustavo

Mr. Jo Arild Remme from Aalesund Norway
is 41 years old and he seems to be in big ****.
He prob. has his adress in Bergen for the time being.

It depends on how much you have won compared
to your investment. It will cost you about 2000 euro
if you want me to find this person and make a claim for
you. I will then give you all details for a lawsuit in Norway
if you want. But...you have to consider all against the
possibillity that this person do not own anything and the
cost of a sivil lawsuit. Maybe you want me to find out what
this person owns first?

It is your choice.

Best regards
Bjorn Grytoyr
Private investigator Norway
http://www.norskpersonservice.no



anyone is in???? I want name an contacts..
Please send me a PM with the email/skype

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Old 09-24-2009, 10:03 PM   #1482
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Re: Eurolinx w/d problems > UPDATE: Eurolinx seeks to put business into liquidation.

OK, i will look for people that want to recover his money. LAMENTABLE LO DE USTEDES
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Old 09-25-2009, 07:51 AM   #1483
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Re: Eurolinx w/d problems > UPDATE: Eurolinx seeks to put business into liquidation.

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Hi Gustavo

Mr. Jo Arild Remme from Aalesund Norway
is 41 years old and he seems to be in big ****.
He prob. has his adress in Bergen for the time being.

It depends on how much you have won compared
to your investment. It will cost you about 2000 euro
if you want me to find this person and make a claim for
you. I will then give you all details for a lawsuit in Norway
if you want. But...you have to consider all against the
possibillity that this person do not own anything and the
cost of a sivil lawsuit. Maybe you want me to find out what
this person owns first?

It is your choice.

Best regards
Bjorn Grytoyr
Private investigator Norway
http://www.norskpersonservice.no



anyone is in???? I want name an contacts..
Please send me a PM with the email/skype

Regards
More information would be good. What does he mean by "find this person and make a claim for you"?

Also, I wouldn't get too disheartened by the lack of responses, I don't think people (even those that have lost a lot) check this thread daily. Given others have talked about PIs, I'm sure some will be in. Obviously, the more the better.
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Old 09-25-2009, 11:36 AM   #1484
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OK, i will look for people that want to recover his money. LAMENTABLE LO DE USTEDES
I'm in.
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Old 09-25-2009, 02:34 PM   #1485
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Re: Eurolinx w/d problems > UPDATE: Eurolinx seeks to put business into liquidation.

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