Like some have already said, I am willing to contribute a percentage of my BR to get this resolved, if that is even possible. I dont have near the same amount of money as some but this is the first time I have ever been scammed and it def. hits home. I have money on Bodog as well and question their legitamacy as well. Personally I dont know much of the history of this scandal or the others but whoever is responsible needs to made an example of. Charges need to be pressed and they need to be harsh enought to deter others from thinking about doing it again.

Actually Betcorp/Betholdem/123Poker ripped players, skin owners and affiliates off about 4 years ago so that is 3 poker room groups. They never did pay affiliates/skins but Bodog bailed the players out by giving them the cash with a WR that I think was only a 1x. This is why it is so important to understand your money is not safe on an MG site. This is just going to happen again and again. Eurolinx dates back to Tain, who would have thought this was coming? Just because you think the skin you play on is strong does not mean this is impossible. When/if you get stolen from then you aren't going to find many that care or are willing to help.

I was one of the victims there and since this scandal is not widely known, Im going to tell it here.

The first thing I did was signing up a 60%RB account on the MG skin Betholdem.
I never got paid so I cashed out and registrered another account via another affiliate on another MG skin 123poker. There things went well and I played there on and off.

Somewhere in feb 2007 Bodog bogth both these two betcorp sites.
So far so good. Here something highly unusual happened.
Neither 123poker, Betholdem or Bodog informed their players about this!
All you know is, you click on the microgaming icon on your desctop but the microgaming software never loads.

I finally did a search and found out what happened.
Next thing happening is that Bodog instead of creating one account (For Betholdem+123poker.) creates two accounts.
Then I get an email from their security department telling me my account is locked and funds confiscated because "I have created multiple accounts on Bodog" which is not allowed!



I finally got my money back and a Bodog account but it was a hell of a sweat.
As far as I know, there was no wagering condition involved at all.

I can't find any articles that mention the WR so I could be wrong there, 1x sounds right but it was long ago, Oct 2006 so not as long as I thought. One thing I had forgotten about is that players had their accounts locked for what looks like 4-8 weeks before Bodog bought them out so even though those players got bailed out they had a month or two to suffer before the good news came.

I dont really have a clue about the exact time or how long this mess lasted.
In oct 2006 I was playing at other skins and during xmas there were some good promotions.
I dont think I got my money until feb 2007

Can we please make a new thread specifically for players and friends that want to collaborate on legal action against EL, BOB, Jo Remme, etc? This thread is way too big and broad for us to make any real headway.

Also, fds - your input is hugely appreciated. I realize you're not an expert on the subject, but obviously you know way more about this area than any of us. Your continued input would be appreciated.

-DrG

EL owes me about 250 $ . its peanuts i know but shouldnt i still send an email somewhere or something or do you all think i d just ship it .

chestnut13

don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but Jo Arild Remme has been known to be involved in pyramid schemes and other shady businesses before. certainly something which might be troubling for people looking to get their money.

It has been mentioned several times

DISCLAIMER: NOT LEGAL ADVICE. INFO ONLY.

if anybody has a copy of EL's terms and conditions, I'd appreciate it if you either post itt or pm it to me.

After doing some VERY brief research, it appears that U.S. jurisdiction is all but guaranteed. The bigger issue is whatever choice of law or forum selection clause that is in the terms and conditions, although there are numerous ways of getting through these, and on first glance I'd say that we would likely succeed. But I need to see the exacts terms of those clauses in the T&C.

Also, there certainly would be an issue of enforcing any judgment, which I haven't looked into.

1. pool some money
2. hire russian mafia to have a chat with remme
3. ???
4. profit

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:...TermsCons.aspx

Hi,

I am a very active play, who during the last couple of years has raked alot at BetOnBet and have now lost around $70.000. I am very concerned about this, and I think that we should persue common leagal means against BetOnBet. If you are currently living in Sweden/Europe and want to together press charges against BetOnBet, I think we can have a greater chance if we process together.

I think the people who lost alot of money might be interested in joining in a leagal process. So if you are a highraking player, please organize. If anyone knows of a good lawyer, who is willing to organize a big case against them, please let me know.

I do not have any leagal knowledge or really much knowledge of this matter at all, but my feeling is that if we organize we have a greater chance of sucess.

My email is novac_@hotmail.com and I am living in Sweden.

Regards,
givmild

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There is a choice of law clause that states "Any legal dispute regarding a transaction in conjunction with a Gaming Account that cannot be solved by the Company Rules, including, but not limited to the rights of the Company, at its own discretion, at all times, to resolve any disputes, in accordance with principles of equity, shall be settled in accordance with the Governing Law of Curacao."

There is no forum selection clause in the T&C. For those that don't know, a forum selection clause differs from a choice of law clause. The choice of law clause dictates whose law will govern the dispute (here, it says Curacao) whereas a forum selection clause dictates where you can bring the suit (some contracts state the you can only arbitrate or bring suit in state X or country X). There is no forum selection clause with Eurlolinx.

So, based on my little research, I'd say that U.S. jurisdiction is pretty much ensured. The question then will be whether the U.S. Court will apply Curacaon law or U.S. law. And as I stated before, there is also an issue of enforceability of any judgment.

If anybody has any knowledge of the laws of Curacao, please post itt. Even if you don't have that knowledge but do have some time, google it and post what you can itt and I'll try yo glance at it to see if it is useful. If there is no legal recourse under their laws, there is a much better chance that a U.S. Court would apply U.S. law (issues of equity, justice, and interests in protecting citizens play a large role on these choice of law issues.

Not directly related to the latest posts but I had confirmation from Microgmaing about the Eurolinx license:

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Thank you for your e-mail.

Microgaming has a copy of a valid Gaming licence issued by C.I.L CURACAO INTERACTIVE LICENSING N.V to Eurolinx International N.V. and has confirmed that this licence had not been revoked as at Friday 21 August.

Regards,

Microgaming

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