Can anyone help me on this matter.......

I am a former customer of BetOnBet and when the company was placed into liquidation was owed a substantial figure. I have been in dispute with my credit card company about recovering some of the money deposited using my card over the months prior to the company dissapearing. However they wont pay out unless i can give them documentary proof of my balance at the time of liquidation. Obviously i hadnt taken a screenshot of the balance on the day before. Does anyone know where or who can provide me with this information?

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Dont see how you could aquire such documents, the only thing I could think of is supplying them with your database if you were tracking your play, doubt they'd accept it though, saying it could be manipulated, but might be worth a try. Then again, I wouldnt be surprised if they'd say the same about a screenshot of you the balance in your client had you had one.

I read about some swedish player that got his $ back because he had used a credit-(not sure, maybe even debit-)card, no questions asked. The funny thing is, he wrote he had already lost most of the $ already but of course didnt mention that when making his claim. This was only for about $500 though, assuming your ammount is substatially bigger. Whether its completely true or not I dont know.

FML

I have been on Malta for some weeks now, and just remembered the whole thing about Eurolinx/BetonBet. Personally I have quite a bit of money outstanding so I will give the LGA and then the police a visit to hear what they have been doing for the last 6 months?! Cant be real that it can take this long, so not leaving before getting some answers.

Does anyone have the former address of Eurolinx and BetonBet on Malta?

GL Sir and on behalf of all internet poker players, thank you. I'll see what info I can dig up later tonight.

No news ? Bump it up.

seriosuly. good job. and, we all thank you

lol

Any news?

What the **** is up with the LGA? Everyone is just washing their hands because apparently they were never licensed anywhere in the first place?

I see you've done just about as much as me. Thing is, I didn't even play at Eurolinkx, but I did research the situation.

I then came to the conclusion that I was wasting my time, as any time spent for others (not family/friends) is a big fat waste of time. I'd say gl with your situation but I know only work and not luck will help you guys, so instead I'll say get to it and don't expect others to do it for you.

fml

Was coached by a euro player who says he knows insiders to Eurolinx/Microgaming and says all money is gone and Jo Remme planned this so nothing could be recovered.

I remember when Eurolinx first began. They launched as a stand alone network. The launch date kept getting delayed because of software problems. Then they finally got launched and the software sucked so bad it was unplayable and they had to give refunds every friggin day to players who got screwed by constant disconnects and time outs. It was the worst poker launch in the history of the world. Then they shut down for weeks and assured players their money was safe, even though nobody could cash out.

It was great in the beginning though. They had all these huge huge free rolls and nobody was playing the site and they paid it out. It was insane. They gave away so much money to so few people I couldn't believe it was happening. Then 90% of the time while playing these tournaments they never finished because the software just sucked so bad, but they'd pay anyways.

Eurolinx was doomed from day 1. I can't remember how long it took them before they gave up on their software and joined another network.

Did anything come of this? Can't believe its been almost 1 year, WTF.

I got in contact with the investigator of the case, and here is the outcome:


Dear Mr. XXX,

I have to admit that there is no way that the police can guarantee you get your money back.

For obvious reason I will refrain from giving too much information about the case, especially what thepolice know or don't know. You have to understand that email is not the most secure way of communication.

Rest asssured that it is the police duty to take to court whoever breaks the law, whether individuals or corporate bodies. Yet one has to say that Authoritative Agencies such as LGA are set up to provide protection to the general public as much as possible, but in no way can this be absolutely 'bullet proof'. Be informed that it was the LGA who informed the police about this matter after affecting its checks and truly receiving some complaints. But in the initial stages even the LGA was given false information by Alpine and after verifying the information received did they conclude that this was a criminal matter and reported it to the police.

Regards,

Ivan Cilia
Inspector
Police Headquarters
Floriana
Malta.

Tel. 00356 2294 2076
00356 2122 4001


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From: XXX [mailto:xxx@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wed 19/05/2010 1:00 PM
To: Cilia Ivan A at POLICE
Subject: RE: Alpine Malta Ltd. (BetOnBet.com) - Investigation


Dear Mr. Cilia,

Thank you for your reply.

Can you tell me whether you know where Jo Remme is? And what likely happens when you arrest him?

Having read your response I guess there is no protection towards the players, what so ever?

Very concerning, having in mind that BetonBet did have a licence on Malta, which are said to be very hard to get.

Why dont you press charges against LGA? They must have just as big a responsibility as BetonBet, because the money were supposed to be frozen on a separate account according to the rules. So LGA has NOT done their job, and actually supported criminal matters, with/or without knowing it. However, it must still be their responsibility to secure player funds, when a company has a licence. That is what they get money for, and live of. And also Microgaming must have a responsibility?

Kind Regards,
XXX


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Subject: RE: Alpine Malta Ltd. (BetOnBet.com) - Investigation
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:28:34 +0200
From: ivan.a.cilia@gov.mt
To: xxx@hotmail.com


Dear Mr. XXX,

I am the police inspector who was assigned to investigate the case of Alpine Malta Ltd. The case has been referred to the Maltese Court where an inquiry is underway to preserve any evidence in their computer server.

Please also be informed that the director of the company is not in Malta and therefore if upon conclusion of the Court Inquiry, there seems to be enough evidence agaisnt the director, his extradition would be requested. This procedure can take some time.

Also please be informed that if a person is convicted in a Criminal Court for Criminal Charges, the Court delivers a sentence as punishment and is not bound to order the payment to the victims. Usually it is the victim himself who has to start a court case in a Civil Court and requests payment.

If you are in Malta I find no problem to meet you.

Regards,

Ivan Cilia
Inspector
Police Headquarters
Floriana
Malta.

Tel. 00356 2294 2076
00356 2122 4001



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From: XXX [mailto:xxx@hotmail.com]
Sent: Mon 10/05/2010 10:12 AM
To: Cilia Ivan A at POLICE
Subject: RE: Alpine Malta Ltd. (BetOnBet.com) - Investigation


Dear Mr. Cilia.

I have for a long time wanted to hear what has happened with the investigation of Alpine Malta Ltd.

Do you have a phone no. I can contact you on? I am also interested in a physical meeting - what is your address, and what time would fit you?

Kind Regards,
XXX


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Subject: RE: Alpine Malta Ltd. (BetOnBet.com) - Investigation
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:57:48 +0200
From: bernard-anthony.zarb@lga.org.mt
To: xxx@hotmail.com
CC: ivan.a.cilia@gov.mt


Dear XXX,



I acknowledge receipt of your e-mail. Please note that the Police lieutenant who is in charge of the investigations of Alpine Malta Ltd is Inspector Ivan Cilia (copied herewith). Inspector Ivan Cilia is part of the Economic Crimes Unit.



Thank you,



Bernard





Bernard Zarb BA (Hons) MA CP

Manager Investigations

AMLRO



Lotteries & Gaming Authority

Suite 1, Floor 3,

T.G. Complex,

Brewery Street,

Mriehel



BKR3000





office: 00356 2546 9128

mob: 00356 9947 0008

Vote to make MG a sticky in NVG

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29.../#post21602847

Stickies are useless.

When Microgaming refused to discuss their client relationships with an affiliate reprsentative, he tackled them "under cover". Check out Microgaming's predictable response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5mBP...eature=related

He was heavily criticised by the affiliate industry for making Microgaming look inept, crass and ridiculous.



Interesting to note that someone might actually be doing something.

Interesting article on the LGA

Is Gambling Regulator LGA Worthless

bump. any news?

Not really news, but kind of funny anyway, that after all what happened and time passed if you happen to find one of the biggest affiliate in the world of poker still advertising Eurolinx (with some other well known names):

http://www.pokerloyaltyprograms.com/....html#betngo25

I like this quote most (original bold):

EuroLinx - Bonus Terms & Conditions
...
So the trick here is to make a first deposit as big as you think you can clear a bonus within 60 days - if you do not get enough points you won't get any of the bonus!

Hi Wolf,

Now Now...we aren't actually advertising Eurolinx are we? I mean you can't exactly sign up and
Granted we will get the bonus stuff removed anyhow and just leave a link there to the Eurolinx page.

The pages had been left up so that people with no news about Eurolinx can actually get some news about them. Not everyone who got ****** by them had an affiliate they could turn to. We have had many players not signed up through us who came to us for help through finding our pages.

We only wish that we had more up to date news or information on the whereabouts of Jo Remme and the money. At least with Tusk there is a process in place.

Since the Eurolinx incident we have only worked with Microgaming sites who have ring-fenced money for players so that if they do collapse, only we as the affiliate would lose out. We are not saying that Ladbrokes, Unibet and Purple are the only ones that have ring-fenced money but it would be interesting to know how many Microgaming skins out there still don't afford the players any protection at all if they go bust? Maybe there are none.

But although she was a bit vague I think the lady in the APCW report was trying to get across that "(They) don't hold player funds!". So is every Microgaming site now "safe" after the Tusk and Eurolinx episodes?

Do you play on Prima still Wolf? If so, are your funds ring-fenced?
Is it safe?
Is it SAFE?

This is just like Marathon Man!

Us

If they're under the LGA, according to the law they are:

http://www.lga.org.mt/lga/content.aspx?id=87374

Click on "remote gaming regulations 2004", scroll to page 15:



Was Eurolinx in Malta? I forget. However, if they were, they were clearly in violation of this clause. The LGA wouldn't have had a clue because the regulations are window dressing and whitewash, but they're legally binding.

Eurolinx weren't, but their sister site BetOnBet was.

The LGA regulations are completely worthless. The LGA is a joke, a number of LGA-regulated sites have gone bankrupt without paying players. GoldVictory and BetChance would probably be the best known, but there are several others.

The LGA has also shown time and again that it' doesn't care about licensees ripping of players. CasinoClub ripped off a player for €200k, and the LGA hasn't even responeded to the player's complaint. He is currently pursuing the case through the Malta legal system.

I think the problem is that some networks do not do their due diligence when it comes to checking out licensees!
We aren't suggesting that was the case was here of course!

However if you have problems or concerns about a skin, you should email the people who run Microgaming and get answers to your questions.

Roger Raatgever - CEO

rogerr@microgaming.com or roger@microgaming.com

Roger would be delighted to answer all questions and allay all fears I am sure.

In fact, if you are unsure about your funds at any site you should email the owners or the network heads.

There have been way too many collapses and there will no doubt be more in the future and the same information will come out that they didn't have the right licenses etc. and the money wasn't ring-fenced.

It is vitally important that players stick to well known brands and avoid the Mickey Mouse sites that have been given skins on a network for a few hundred $$$.

The cull is coming......

If players had money lost / stolen from BetOnBet, then the LGA must be liable. However stinkingly corrupt they (obviously) are, rules is rules. They need to be held to account.

Naturally. Roger the Raat would reply thus:

"We're just a software provider".

End of discussion.