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09-08-2009 , 02:09 PM
send oddsmatrix a mail. wonder if they can shed some light in the well kept dark...
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09-09-2009 , 06:59 AM
no new information anywhere?
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09-09-2009 , 12:12 PM
does anybody have a copy of the eurolinx t&c? It seems like the last link stopped working
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09-09-2009 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TheRaiderr
I think someone earlier pointed out lydia is now working for MG
I got this PM from Lydia on August 20th.
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Originally Posted by Eurolinx Lydia
Hi,

I haven't been at Eurolinx for a while and I really don't know what's going on, but I can say this for sure.

Players really need to not chip-dump. If they're caught, the accounts will be frozen and the funds confiscated. From the Eurolinx T&C: Forfeit and/or confiscate funds available on a Gaming Account and/or refuse to honour a claim, in the event that, directly or indirectly, The Eurolinx Rules have been violated and/or other unauthorised activities have occurred in connection with a betting event and/or the operation of a Gaming Account. This is subject to any of the said events being in connection with the Gaming Account and/or the claim in question.

I wish I could add something substantive to this mess, but I just don't know anything and really can't contribute except to warn off chip-dumping just as strongly as possible. I hope everything gets sorted out soon. I hope you weren't caught up in this.

If it's possible, please post this about chip-dumping. Even say it's from me. Although I'm no longer a Eurolinx Rep and can't speak for what's happening, I can at least hopefully keep the players from getting their funds confiscated for fraud.

Turning PM off again...

Best regards,
Lydia
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09-09-2009 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
I got this PM from Lydia on August 20th.
thanks for posting.

hmm difficult choice: dump chips and you might get caught and lose your funds, don't dump chips and lose your funds either way. tough choice.

sounds like lydia has changed her eurolinx-hat for a microgaming-hat just like that, and is only interested in the interests of her new employer. she seems to be forgetting her old employer stole our money on her watch. she obviously doesn't quite (want to) understand people stand to lose a lot of money here. it would have been better if she would have kept her mouth shut, this doesn't make her look like a nice gal at all.
oh, just so lydia knows, newsflash: one day after she send this PM it is no longer possible to chipdump at all since the eurolinx/betonbet website is gone. i'm not even a poker player there (but sportsbook) but would have downloaded their poker client specifically to dump my remaining funds if i had known about this outcome, since this was obviously by far the best shot of getting any funds out at all.

Last edited by bjw; 09-09-2009 at 06:32 PM.
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09-11-2009 , 05:44 AM
still no updates? any news?
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09-11-2009 , 05:57 AM
i imagine there will be no liquidator, just a criminal case.

Considering it is likly to be a criminal case, i wonder how that effects MG.
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09-11-2009 , 10:31 AM
Anybody care to pay MG a visit in Copenhagen?

MICROGAMING EXHIBITS AT EiG 15 – 17 SEPTEMBER 2009


ISLE OF MAN - Microgaming (www.microgaming.com) will be exhibiting at the 2009 European iGaming Expo conference in Copenhagen next week on Stand 252. Microgaming will be amongst the key supporters of the event, which also features the Microgaming Bar in the main conference hall.


Visitors to the stand will have the opportunity to view Microgaming’s latest suite of products and network with some of the industry’s leading professionals at the Microgaming Bar. Over 80 companies will be exhibiting at the conference which will be attended by the top industry decision makers, and will feature presentations from 100 of the world’s iGaming experts, from over 60 countries.
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09-11-2009 , 01:49 PM
people who live near microgaming or Jo Remme recidence must visit them. They need to feell it.
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09-11-2009 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ditou26
people who live near microgaming or Jo Remme recidence must visit them. They need to feell it.
With all the sites that have stolen player money over the past 8 years, it is shocking no one has ever gotten hurt. I mean names and addresses commonly come out of thieves of various sites. With all the money in the poker world, it is so surprising not one of these guys has ever been taken out for revenge.
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09-12-2009 , 03:42 PM
Cmn people!!!!!!
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09-12-2009 , 04:05 PM
I think the best chance to ever see a single cent of our money is to press criminal charges against Jo Remme, preferably in his native Norway. Are there any Norwegians here that can tell us how to go about that?
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09-13-2009 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LouisCyphre
I think the best chance to ever see a single cent of our money is to press criminal charges against Jo Remme, preferably in his native Norway. Are there any Norwegians here that can tell us how to go about that?
YES; itrs TRUE!!!

norwegians should "visit" mister Jo Remme.
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09-13-2009 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LouisCyphre
I think the best chance to ever see a single cent of our money is to press criminal charges against Jo Remme, preferably in his native Norway. Are there any Norwegians here that can tell us how to go about that?
To report a crime you have to go to a police station in person and fill out a form. Only certain smaller crimes can be reported online.

You can of course submit a tip, but the police are not obligated to follow up on tips.
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09-13-2009 , 07:19 AM
http://www.ope.no/eng/services.htm

is this link already posted here?
i also think that we shoold hire a lawyer and make things faster.
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09-14-2009 , 06:57 AM
arent there any norwegian crime shows on tv. Where they track down scammers and confront them?! That might be an option...
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09-15-2009 , 11:28 AM
still no updates? any news?
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09-15-2009 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Edmuntus
arent there any norwegian crime shows on tv. Where they track down scammers and confront them?! That might be an option...
sadly this is out best hope if it exists lol.
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09-15-2009 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LouisCyphre
I am willing to do anything that has a reasonable chance of recovering (some of) our money. Can't we get Norwegian law enforecement involved for starters? There must be a Norwegian player that can file a report with the police.
please
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09-16-2009 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LouisCyphre
I think the best chance to ever see a single cent of our money is to press criminal charges against Jo Remme, preferably in his native Norway. Are there any Norwegians here that can tell us how to go about that?
meh I'm not norwegian and just summoned google real quick, but this seems like a good place to send an email to http://www.okokrim.no/in-english

"Økokrim is both a police unit and a prosecution authority. The current director is the chief public prosecutor Einar Høgetveit. The unit is organized in multidisciplinary teams headed by public prosecutors. Each team has a specific field of expertise, such as corruption, computer crime or fraud."

I'm pretty sure you don't need to be norwegian to have a standing with that agency, especially in a case with so much money involved.

Also please report back if you had any success. I might be inclined to report the owner of Rednines (he was Norwegian as well). A police agency might have more success uncovering what actually happend at TUSK than the liquidator bums we got stuck with.
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09-16-2009 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Edmuntus
arent there any norwegian crime shows on tv. Where they track down scammers and confront them?! That might be an option...
What happens on "Cops - Norway" ?

A big herring caper?

Counterfeit lift-pass ring?
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09-16-2009 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sonplz
meh I'm not norwegian and just summoned google real quick, but this seems like a good place to send an email to http://www.okokrim.no/in-english

"Økokrim is both a police unit and a prosecution authority. The current director is the chief public prosecutor Einar Høgetveit. The unit is organized in multidisciplinary teams headed by public prosecutors. Each team has a specific field of expertise, such as corruption, computer crime or fraud."

I'm pretty sure you don't need to be norwegian to have a standing with that agency, especially in a case with so much money involved.

Also please report back if you had any success. I might be inclined to report the owner of Rednines (he was Norwegian as well). A police agency might have more success uncovering what actually happend at TUSK than the liquidator bums we got stuck with.


You could try this and might get somewhere. The only thing is I would think the "cop's" would not have much to go on and prob would not initiate an investigation. Why? because the company is in liquidation (they went broke) and right now there is little evidence of any criminal act. I don't see the Norwegian (or anywhere for that matter) authorities spending a lot of time and money investigating without some evidence that crimes were committed.

Once some real evidence is found then maybe the authorities will take up a criminal investigation. We may just have to wait for the liquidators to finish the investigation into EL's funds and if they uncover wrong doing can use this evidence to then try and get someplace to prosecute any criminal act's.
One thing is that the liquidators are going to be focused on the money and may not see value in bring evidence to light for criminal charges, those who want to spend the time and money may have to find private investigtors to dig up evidence and force thru legal means all info to be revealed by the liquidators.

This is why it isn't cheap to hire lawyers and investigators to dig into the company's records and find the money (if any left) and/or find evidence of crimes. If we are lucky by chance a prosecutor somewhere will take up the investigation otherwise the players are the ones who will have to foot the bill to start the investigation.
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09-16-2009 , 03:21 PM
The problem is there are no liquidators for Eurolinx.
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09-16-2009 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LouisCyphre
The problem is there are no liquidators for Eurolinx.
Not yet, but there might be. Even if there is none the problem remains finding evidence of criminal wrongdoing. Company's go out of business everyday and investors, business that are owed money,and other creditors are left trying to get a cut of whats left. Depending on the country the procedures vary on how this is done. As far as the police or prosecutors going after them, it most likely would have to be some major scandal (like Bernie Madoff) before the authority's will launch an investigation into wrongdoing, unless someone can show them some evidence of criminal activity's then they may look into it. Most prosecutors aren't going to get involved in a criminal investigation just because a business went broke and some people lost money, it happens everyday.

The authority's somewhere may infact take at look at this, so its worth calling different agencies trying, all I am saying don't expect them too without something to go on to start a criminal investigation. That's why players if they want to might have to be the ones to pay to start an investigation into EL and it's owners to find some incriminating evidence. It wont be cheap hiring lawyers and investigators to do this, if they uncover shady activity then then can turn it over to the authority's but there is also a chance they find no criminal activity and the money spent on hiring these people is wasted.

Last edited by novahunterpa; 09-16-2009 at 04:06 PM. Reason: spelling
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09-17-2009 , 04:49 PM
nobody want his money back? omg
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