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08-28-2009 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mellowman307
Finding a lawyer to work on a contingency basis (no pay, no cure) will cost more than 10% of your rolls.

One of the most famous cases ever litigated ANDERSON v PACIFIC GAS & ELECTRIC as portrayed in the movie "ERIN BROCKOVICH", the legal fees were 40% of the recovery plus expenses.

The firms that take contingency based cases are large with deep deep pockets because they know that from the outset payday is years away.

They also only take cases where they know that the Defendant has the ability to pay if they win.

Because this a liquidation EL's assets will be controlled by the Liquidator.

That leaves as possible defendants, Jo Remme and MGS.

Jo Remme's remaining assets would only be attachable if fraud is proved otherwise he would be protected by the corporate shield. If there is proven fraud the Liquidators will be after recovering from Mr Remme. Then there is the problem of locating said assets, given the length of time, they could be very well hidden, never to be seen again.

That leaves MGS as the network provider, in my opinion another long shot as they have a "save harmless" clause in their licensing agreement which everyone agreed to when they downloaded the software.

I would think that hiring a lawyer on an hourly basis to litigate what could be a vey complicated case will cost upwards of $200K that the lawyer will want upfront.

I've written off the small balance I still had at EL and if I see 5-10% of it back in 2-3 years I'll just consider it a bonus.
200k?? men don't make me laugh. How the hell u come up to 200k. Is he working for 5k an hour.
At least we can ask a lawyer to take a good look at it for a couple of k's
Then we at least know if there are changes for us to get a serious% back. Otherwise we stop and wait for the liquidators. But realize that this is gonna take years and years to be cleared. I've been told that EL/BOB are totally broke and ex-employees didnt get paid also last few months.
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08-28-2009 , 11:18 AM
Here a post of today from Marc Karam (sponsored by Eurolinx for 3 years). He is pissed of pretty bad.
Jo Remme said to him that all the things he said to people are posted here. Maybe he means my conversation with him trough telephone. Then he said the thing about trading with the funds.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-story-571067/

Last edited by jokotokolino; 08-28-2009 at 11:42 AM.
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08-28-2009 , 12:23 PM
please open a new thered with the names-> amounts that people who want a lawyer
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08-28-2009 , 12:25 PM
im just glad to get any info i can right now so thanks for the posts and if anything does happen with regards to a lawyer count me in.
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08-28-2009 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ditou26
please open a new thered with the names-> amounts that people who want a lawyer
There was 2 threads open but know one posts in them and they get pushed down the list

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rolinx-570964/


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-money-569556/

I think there was even another but can't find it.
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08-28-2009 , 12:43 PM
ok, as I wrote to some of you I am willing to be part of a joint legal action. I had approx. 23K.

also, you (we) have to accept that there is no lawyer who will work ONLY for a success fee.

Since EL is seems to be completely broke I think we can only have a result if we manage to get a good sentence by sueing MG and Remme (for fraud).

I think the first thing should be to decide in which country we should hire a lawyer, since even if US jurisdiction seems to be fine for us, Remme is probably still in Malta.
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08-28-2009 , 12:51 PM
Just keep a good overview. Threads are being started on the same topic and that could cause confusion.
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08-28-2009 , 01:02 PM
This i have from www.jackseven.ca the homepage of Marc Karam. The adminstrator (his father i guess) writes this:


Also I have spoken to some former EL employees who pretty much feel as betrayed as Marc does. I have also heard from a good source that Jo Remme has left Malta and the house he was living in is empty.
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08-28-2009 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by novahunterpa
There was 2 threads open but know one posts in them and they get pushed down the list

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rolinx-570964/


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-money-569556/

I think there was even another but can't find it.
nice.

some1 puts this in first post?
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08-28-2009 , 01:11 PM
Is there someone with MG contacts? Why is there no official MG response? They must keep close contact with Remme.
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08-28-2009 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Edmuntus
Is there someone with MG contacts? Why is there no official MG response? They must keep close contact with Remme.
There is no response because they cannot give one which would improve their situation. They hope if they don't respond that we will add another 14 pages to this thread, then forget about the money we lost and go play other MG sites.
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08-28-2009 , 01:43 PM
forget about the money... lol. i wish it was that easy
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08-28-2009 , 01:50 PM
http://www.lga.org.mt/lga/content.aspx?id=157049

Is this for Eurolinx players as well? Has anyone sent their information allready?
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08-28-2009 , 01:53 PM
The sad thing is that you'll all piss away more money on lawyers trying to get money back that is already gone..

GL though
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08-29-2009 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexah
http://www.lga.org.mt/lga/content.aspx?id=157049

Is this for Eurolinx players as well? Has anyone sent their information allready?
from the website :

LGA Investigates BetonBet
The Lotteries and Gaming Authority (LGA) hereby notifies that the company Alpine Malta Ltd is under investigation by the Authority.
Alpine Malta Ltd operates under Class 1/4 and Class 3/4 licenses and operates under the tradename BetonBet.
The LGA has issued a notice of suspension for the two classes.
Furthermore, the LGA hereby notifies that the company Eurolinks Ltd is not and has never been a licensed operator with the LGA. The LGA also notifies that the sportsbooks of Alpine Malta Ltd (BetonBet and Eurolinks) are not and never were licensed by the LGA.
Players who deem to have any outstanding payments from Alpine Malta Ltd (BetonBet) specifically on the Class 1/4 and Class 3/4 licenses are to send an email to complaints@lga.org.mt and should submit the following information:
1. Name and Surname
2. Registered Address
3. Date of Birth
4. Passport Number and Certified True Copy of Passport or ID Card Number and Certified True Copy of ID Card (by email or post)
5. Telephone Number
6. User Name
7. Player Account
8. Amount of Claim of Balance or pending Cash Out
9. Screenshot of Balance or Cash Out pending



legit ? why do they write eurolinks instead of eurolinx ? fishy or official ?

Also : i dont remember the exact cashout amount and have no screenshot ...
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08-29-2009 , 05:21 AM
But what about the Eurolinx license?! Is the company licensed or not? If so, where? I read that it was not licensed by the curacao gaming commission.
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08-30-2009 , 04:44 AM
Remember somebody were talking about Eurolinx having a meeting monday this week?

@ Mee - First of all thanks for posting! Can you give us an update of how things are going/what is happening?

Dosn't seem like any part of the involved actors are much about sharing information on what is going on. LGA doesnt answer mail, or post any news updates on their webpage, just as Eurolinx or Betonbet.com are very productive on giving information of what is happening...
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08-30-2009 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Paddington9
Remember somebody were talking about Eurolinx having a meeting monday this week?
was LAST monday; and all they told the employees was they were getting shut down if iirc.
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08-30-2009 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MooMooMoo
You know if you give a lawyer 10% of your roll you lost, you probably won't see any money back at all. Id be suprised if there was any real amount of money left after liquidation etc considering employees are missing wages and business partners are out of money (including affiliates). A lawyer would be unlikely to work for 10% of what probably is nothing. Unless someone knows a way to get a lawyer pro-bono, its probably best to wait until we know what assets remain.


Edit: sorry for being blunt, but hiring a lawyer will not be to get funds back. You can get Joe Remme convicted with a lawyer, but liquidators are in charge of assets.
I am a lawyer and have been involved at least two multi-million $$ offshore fraud cases (about timeshares and one about ostriches as it happened).

The only point of hiring a lawyer is to assert that the player funds are held in trust and so are not comprised in the funds available to the liquidator. If there are any of them left and this claim can be made out- the players will make some recovery.

If either there are no player funds at all left or traceable in any way or if they do fall into the general creditor pool for the liquidator's use, you can forget about making any significant recovery.
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08-31-2009 , 05:27 AM
I know Jo Remme from Malta, he already left the Island with his family, he was living here like a millionaire (with your money). If you want to get him try to contact the Norwegian authorities , Jo is Norwegian and he is back to Norway, he is together with his 3 small children and wife and will avoid to travel far. Good luck. I know a PI who can find him in Norway.
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08-31-2009 , 10:37 AM
If you've been playing at Microgaming since the liquidation of Battlefield, Rednines etc you deserve to lose every penny you've put on their network.

Welcome to the liquidation process, we (battlefield/rednines/etc players) have been involved in it since February 08, so my only advice would be to forget about the money, move on and stick to the bigger sites.

Good luck.
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08-31-2009 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 1234567
from the website :

LGA Investigates BetonBet
The Lotteries and Gaming Authority (LGA) hereby notifies that the company Alpine Malta Ltd is under investigation by the Authority.
Alpine Malta Ltd operates under Class 1/4 and Class 3/4 licenses and operates under the tradename BetonBet.
The LGA has issued a notice of suspension for the two classes.
Furthermore, the LGA hereby notifies that the company Eurolinks Ltd is not and has never been a licensed operator with the LGA. The LGA also notifies that the sportsbooks of Alpine Malta Ltd (BetonBet and Eurolinks) are not and never were licensed by the LGA.
Players who deem to have any outstanding payments from Alpine Malta Ltd (BetonBet) specifically on the Class 1/4 and Class 3/4 licenses are to send an email to complaints@lga.org.mt and should submit the following information:
1. Name and Surname
2. Registered Address
3. Date of Birth
4. Passport Number and Certified True Copy of Passport or ID Card Number and Certified True Copy of ID Card (by email or post)
5. Telephone Number
6. User Name
7. Player Account
8. Amount of Claim of Balance or pending Cash Out
9. Screenshot of Balance or Cash Out pending



legit ? why do they write eurolinks instead of eurolinx ? fishy or official ?

Also : i dont remember the exact cashout amount and have no screenshot ...
Anyone have more info/opinion about this? Has anyone here submitted this form? I want to but also feel uneasy about all the delicate info they request. Plus, I also don't have the exact amount of the cashout or a screenshot of it.

-DrG
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08-31-2009 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolitzer
If you've been playing at Microgaming since the liquidation of Battlefield, Rednines etc you deserve to lose every penny you've put on their network.

+1

WE TOLD YOU GUYS.......
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08-31-2009 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolitzer
If you've been playing at Microgaming since the liquidation of Battlefield, Rednines etc you deserve to lose every penny you've put on their network.

Welcome to the liquidation process, we (battlefield/rednines/etc players) have been involved in it since February 08, so my only advice would be to forget about the money, move on and stick to the bigger sites.

Good luck.
I think there's a lesson to be learned here. Sucks that everyone lost their money but you can't say the warning signs weren't there already. FWIW I always thought Eurolinx was very dodgy from the start. A pretty girl comes into 2+2 and introduces herself to drum up business for the site, LOL.
Thankfully, I have never and will never put a penny into MG sites.
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08-31-2009 , 03:23 PM
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Anyone have more info/opinion about this? Has anyone here submitted this form? I want to but also feel uneasy about all the delicate info they request. Plus, I also don't have the exact amount of the cashout or a screenshot of it.

-DrG
The misspelling of Eurolinx does look a little unprofessional but I'm pretty sure they're are legit. I submitted the form about a week ago, haven't heard anything back.

I wouldn't worry too much about the amount of info required, it's no more than most bookmakers ask for nowadays. You could always put 'for LGA of Malta only' or something similar over the scanned copy, makes it a little safer.

I just gave approximate amounts and explained a screenshot isn't possible, pretty much all you can do.
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