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03-28-2017 , 02:09 PM
"Silly folds" would look like chip dumping to me.
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03-28-2017 , 02:12 PM
I didn't check the Terms of Service myself just now, but based upon what has already been posted:


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Originally Posted by DanJWarburton
"We can do what we want if you use the service and if we do something you don't like, you agree to us doing it and will defend us in doing so."
That is not what the indemnification provision says at all. Not even close.

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Originally Posted by DanJWarburton
We can charge your card, take your money, make you lose consistently for fun, fix the games, have bots on our site that are fixed to win your money so we profit, refuse to withdraw your money whenever we want for whatever reason we want all because you use our service and if you try to complain or take us to court you agree to defend us and not hold us responsible for doing this because you used our service!
Again, that is not what the indemnification provision says at all. Not even close.



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Originally Posted by DanJWarburton
"* use by you of the Service; or"
You have to indemnify them against

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claims, demands, liabilities, damages, losses, costs and expenses, including legal fees and any other charges whatsoever, howsoever caused, that may arise as a result of
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1. ...;
2. ...;
3. use by you of the Service; or
4. ...
The purpose of number 3 is that if you use the Service in some way so as to cause damage to them, you have to indemnify them for such damages. As an example, if you use the Service in a manner that is illegal or against their Terms of Service and this causes them to have to reimburse another player or pay a fine to a government, then you have to reimburse them for such amount paid to the other player or government.

Overall, the indemnification provision looks pretty normal to me and is not offensive. Maybe it could state that you don't have any indemnification obligation so long as you solely use the Service in accordance with law, their Terms of Service, reasonable rules of the game being played and in such a manner as is reasonably intended (or something like that). But it is a contract of adhesion so some things like that just may not be there and it won't really matter anyway.




You might want to try e-mailing them again, but not in the manner that you wrote the original post here. If what you say happened in your original post is what actually happened and you explain that to them to their satisfaction and they believe you, then they'll probably give you your account balance and may re-open your account. (Don't do that again though - what you did was kinda stupid. And you coulda just gambled with your friend with a deck of cards in your home or wherever rather than having to front him money on Stars and pay rake [or do they not charge rake in home games?])


Also, is your broke friend also your landlord?

Last edited by Lego05; 03-28-2017 at 02:36 PM.
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03-28-2017 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Sorry OP but you're an idiot. This thread should be called "WARNING TO ALL BEGINNERS; DON'T DO OBVIOUSLY STUPID ****"
FTFY.

Every site in the history of ever is shutting your account down if you let someone else use your card to deposit then play against them. If you'd chill with the all caps wooga booga **** maybe you can calm down and figure out why, OP.
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03-28-2017 , 02:28 PM
Mods merge thread.

OP post ALL emails TO and FROM PokerStars about this issue
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03-28-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DanJWarburton
That doesnt exist on the UK version of the Terms of Service.

However, it does state that apparently you are not allowed to even make a complaint:

8.2.) You agree to fully indemnify, defend and hold harmless Rational Group, the Group and its shareholders, directors and employees from and against all claims, demands, liabilities, damages, losses, costs and expenses, including legal fees and any other charges whatsoever, howsoever caused, that may arise as a result of:

* your breach of this Agreement, in whole or in part;
* violation by you of any law or any third party rights;
* use by you of the Service; or
* use by you of the Service or use by any other person accessing the Service using your Login Credentials (as defined below), whether or not with your authorization.

CAN ANYONE EVEN TRUST A COMPANY THAT PUTS THIS IN THEIR TERMS OF SERVICE?

They are literally saying:

"We can do what we want if you use the service and if we do something you don't like, you agree to us doing it and will defend us in doing so."

LITERALLY, DON'T TRUST THEM!
Posted in the other thread started about this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=11
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03-28-2017 , 02:56 PM
Perhaps the OP will have better luck finding a single supporter to his LOLstupid if he starts a third thread in all caps and uses more exclamation points.
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03-28-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DanJWarburton
Story bottom lined:
No, here's the bottom line. You deposited and played on the site in a way that would raise screaming red flags on any competent poker site. As a result of them not replying to you within a week (which admittedly would be frustrating), you seem to think the best course of action would be to start not one, but two threads with you screaming your outrage with caps lock thread titles and more caps lock in your post calling them thieves and scammers. I'm here to tell you, this wasn't your best course of action.

Some suggestions if you want to get actual help and/or advice:

- Calm the **** down.
- Knock it off with the caps lock.
- Let it go with your analysis of 8.2; you're way off base and it's irrelevant to what happened anyway.
- "post ALL emails TO and FROM pokerstars on this issue" - good idea if you'd like some advice.

If you aren't looking for advice and just wanted to rant, your job is done. No need to come back with more all-caps outrage.

P.S. If someone is "literally" saying something, you shouldn't need to provide a translation from their words to yours - that's pretty much the opposite of "literally".
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03-28-2017 , 05:02 PM
Among a lot of weirdness and bs in the OP as others have said "silly folds" really stands out.

You deposited money to play each competitively? Why did you know each other's hands then? That's the only way you would know a fold was truly "silly".

I can't imagine playing a friend who is playing loose for fun by making "silly folds".
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03-28-2017 , 06:29 PM
Based on this post and many others in the past, OP has legitimate issues and should seek professional help, not even joking here. I'm not saying he's full blown schiz or anything, but he has problems.

Also, poker is a terrible hobby for him that costs him money and angst.
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03-28-2017 , 06:38 PM
lol

Dan

You owned yourself, accept it mate
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03-28-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DanJWarburton
Next thing I know stars take away my playing abilities
I wasn't aware you had any. /savagemode
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03-28-2017 , 08:05 PM
lol rekt.

Back on topic OP your a moron lock it up, your stupidity caused the whole issue.
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03-28-2017 , 08:52 PM
I used my friend credit card for my first deposit on stars. Weeks later they restricted my account and ask me to send them scan documents so they could confirm my identity which i did. I still used my friend card for another deposit after this and it seems fine for them.
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03-28-2017 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I wasn't aware you had any. /savagemode
I literally cracked up for 15 seconds when I read this, lmao. A million posts you have helping people with almost no sarcasm and this epic 6 word bomb.

Damn funny right there.
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03-28-2017 , 11:57 PM
Reading this made my night. The caps lock button must be broken on his computer but he cannot fix it due to his acct being closed. Such is life
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03-30-2017 , 02:46 PM
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I wasn't aware you had any. /savagemode
arty's read some of this guys stuff in the past...so I have.

Some of us have also googled his website and seen him advertise his "mental game poker coach services".

funny/entertaining thread...yeah , I guess.
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03-31-2017 , 07:14 AM
So, in summary, tried to use the well known 'my credit card got stolen' scam, got caught. It's a tough life.
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03-31-2017 , 12:04 PM
It's a witch hunt!
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