Discussion Thread re PokerStars Player Reps Report. Feb 2012

[pureklas]

I have a few questions for the reps, you have a tough job and it was kinda inevitable that you guys would not satisfy everyone's needs/wants/hopes.

Who were the biggest personalities in the groups? Any of you feel that some voices were heard more than others?

Why was it decided that the new changes would be implemented effective Feb 1st without any consultation with the people who voted to send you there?

Do you not feel you basically took on board the original changes in a new form?

[TheMetetrown]

Very, very interested to see a game-by-game and limit-by-limit breakdown.


Also, would like to see some reps publicly address the concerns brought up regarding 6max and cap/plo. And 6nlolol

[moe_green]

the question keeps getting asked about PLO an no one is answering, Where is kermit or whoever was meant to be repping PLO in IOM. SMALL STAKES PLO IS GETTING RAPED

[cashy]

Originally Posted by TheMetetrown

I'll be damned, I agree with cashy on something.

Though to be fair, 6max NLHE had it better than CAP and PLO to begin with. Those are the two games that needed something substantial out of this and got nothing.

Full-ring the big winner, ldo.

the funny thing is that this is almost the same change that stars "offered" us at the end of december with FR being the only noticeable difference.
how come everbody is satisfied now?

[TheMetetrown]

Originally Posted by moe_green

the question keeps getting asked about PLO an no one is answering, Where is kermit or whoever was meant to be repping PLO in IOM. SMALL STAKES PLO IS GETTING RAPED

krmont22 plays $2/4-5/10 and never really made me comfortable as a PLO rep for a few reasons. Rake is less of a concern for him, but even at $2/4 he has to realize how raped he is getting by it.

How he didn't speak up and be more vocal is beyond me. CAP has the same exact gripe, but I can almost see Stars making the decision to let CAP die.

krmont22 plays 6max and yet he seemed cool with the 6max PLO changes. ?????

[Bellagibro]

Great work guys!!! Thanks a bunch and I'll be back to the grind in Feb.

[TheMetetrown]

Originally Posted by Bellagibro

Great work guys!!! Thanks a bunch and I'll be back to the grind in Feb.

Who are you? I'm curious how anyone can look at this and be like, ya that's enough to make me come back to Stars. I'm just curious the demographic of people excited by these changes.

[LunaEqualsLuna]

LHE definitely got the Jesus representation. High stakes LHE went from 5% rake to 1% WTF is that a typo?

I just noticed the bloody sneaky rake increase 3 and 5 handed is back again... this screws over 6max MSNL games that often play short and I like playing short handed, I guess it is sit out time when table breaks then.

Is there any confirmation anywhere of CAP and PLO changes??? Because i'm seeing nothing of interest so far.

Originally Posted by cashy

the funny thing is that this is almost the same change that stars "offered" us at the end of december with FR being the only noticeable difference.
how come everbody is satisfied now?

Maybe it's like taking a bone away from a dog then giving it back again.
He thinks he's getting a new bone and is excited each time.

[TheMetetrown]

Felt like it has to be posted here.

These are more or less the same changes Stars first proposed that everyone flipped out about with something extra thrown to Full-Ring and a useless 6nl limit added.

PLO/CAP/6max all are still getting the major shaft and are raked to death and yet got nothing.

FR LHE made out like a bandit.

I get the feeling the representation was **** because PLO is raked just as bad as LHE is and the discouraging of 3-4 handed play is out of control mind boggling.

These changes are pretty much no different for most people I'd guess and very advantageous for a select few.

All in all, extremely disappointed with the results of this. Klairic sure did appear to steer the group his direction though. Oh and xPeru who plays micros for a living sure did decrease his rake paid, but still failed to provide a good path through SS to the midstakes.

[mme]

aah, you have to love these grumps. i for one would change the games every month just to hear them moan.

[TheMetetrown]

There was a way to do this right, but the end outcome just reeks of certain people helping their games out a lot while doing nothing for anyone else. 3 and 5 handed rake increases are back, just wtf. Oh I guess it paid for a FR LHE decrease, that's cool.... ***.

I was pretty "meh" they got nothing really done there at first which is what I expected. Taking a closer look, it's pretty infuriating to see how unbalanced the rake got at some games compared to others. And how some of the most heavily raked games were just totally ignored.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by LunaEqualsLuna

LHE definitely got the Jesus representation. High stakes LHE went from 5% rake to 1% WTF is that a typo?

Not sure what jesus reprentation means but there is an increase in high stakes LHE rake and a decrease in low stakes HU games (which also now affects games at ring, so will aid in game creation), and some key midstakes, like a significant reduction at 5/10.

I only made two small alternations in reducing the rake at 1/2 and 2/4 for ring games. In total I believe there is ~2.85% reduction in LHE rake overall.

It's all written up in my LHE trip report, I suggest you read that.

[Admania]

Originally Posted by LunaEqualsLuna

LHE definitely got the Jesus representation. High stakes LHE went from 5% rake to 1% WTF is that a typo?

I just noticed the bloody sneaky rake increase 3 and 5 handed is back again... this screws over 6max MSNL games that often play short and I like playing short handed, I guess it is sit out time when table breaks then.

Is there any confirmation anywhere of CAP and PLO changes???



Maybe it's like taking a bone away from a dog then giving it back again.
He thinks he's getting a new bone and is excited each time.

Yeah I 'd like to hear some explanation to the 1%, I just want a clear and concise explanation to why rake seems to have been reduced more for 1/2,2/4,3/6,5/10 etc etc than it is for 0.50/1 , 0.25/0.50, 0.10/0.20. I thought the whole idea was to give the rake reductions to the lowest levels and not as you move. Please someone tell me I have this wrong

[Juanx]

Originally Posted by Hood

Not sure what jesus reprentation means but there is an increase in high stakes LHE rake and a decrease in low stakes HU games (which also now affects games at ring, so will aid in game creation), and some key midstakes, like a significant reduction at 5/10.

I only made two small alternations in reducing the rake at 1/2 and 2/4 for ring games. In total I believe there is ~2.85% reduction in LHE rake overall.

It's all written up in my LHE trip report, I suggest you read that.

Can u tell us why CAP NL 50-100 got nothing?

[cashy]

Originally Posted by TheMetetrown

Felt like it has to be posted here.

These are more or less the same changes Stars first proposed that everyone flipped out about with something extra thrown to Full-Ring and a useless 6nl limit added.

PLO/CAP/6max all are still getting the major shaft and are raked to death and yet got nothing.

FR LHE made out like a bandit.

I get the feeling the representation was **** because PLO is raked just as bad as LHE is and the discouraging of 3-4 handed play is out of control mind boggling.

These changes are pretty much no different for most people I'd guess and very advantageous for a select few.

All in all, extremely disappointed with the results of this. Klairic sure did appear to steer the group his direction though. Oh and xPeru who plays micros for a living sure did decrease his rake paid, but still failed to provide a good path through SS to the midstakes.

+1 to everything

im kinda annoyed that most people are so easily fooled