At this point Im going to only play a few tournaments on Sundays across nj sites. These sites are all overall pathetic and scam you with rake and poor structures and bad payouts. Each site has its own problems and there just isn't much value if you aren't grinding everything. I'm not gonna waste much more time and money to navigate all the issues that the sites have.

Dont get me wrong, I feel I am one of the top tournament players on these sites and am not saying that they're unbeatable. Its just there are alot of issues and stresses and annoyances. There is really no point playing when it's a struggle during the week to eeek out a prize pool so there's even a $1000 first prize.

Im just gonna list things that make trying to play everything across multiple sites difficult and worthless and impossible to stay on your A-game---geolocation issues, one site logging you out randomly, auto rebuys or addons don't work, the payouts are so flat on one , the structure is so terrible on another, some tourneys go too long, tables can't be balanced right, hand for hand starts at 3 players, the schedules are really basic (don't want to play a tourney where first is $200 when it's easy to spend 600-800 a night), late registration doesn't work properly on either site, the start times are all over the place, one sites sattelites are broken, all don't have nearly enough sattelites, support is terrible on all sites.

I mean I literally get login emails hours later than when I actually log in. I can't imagine if I get one 8 hours after someone logged in and dumped my money. By the time I explain it to support, if they can even fix it or believe me, it can be dumped and spread across 5 accounts. Luckily for me withdrawals are a little slow and combined with the absurd DGE process and the incompetence of all the sites, it's impossible to get anything fixed or changed. Its as if the sites would rather lose money with overlay than fix their idiotic late reg policy. Tournaments are either closed before they begin, or locked when they begin. Either way a bunch of people are screwed including the sites. We've all been listing the same problems for 9 months, and while we are way better off than we were in november, it's barely any progress in what is expected/should be/can be in regards to site quality.

Im speculating but it seems to me that the sites simply don't care. I refuse to believe that each site legitimately thinks that theye doing their best at this point. Even borgata and party don't seem to be totally on the same page. They have different tournaments from each other and are splitting the player pool that they share.

Its still very difficult for most people to register and deposit on sites. Especially if they have geolocation issues. These sites should make it as simple as possible, giant buttons with simple instructions, STEP-1 TYPE YOUR INFO STEP-2 CHOOSE YOUR DEPOSIT METHOD STEP-3 SPEND MONEY HOWEVER THE **** YOU WANT. If at any point during this you have an issue with anything, if you forget your own address or can't figure out the internet, we will live chat with you or call you and a well spoken English human will literally wait with you every second until you're up and running and donking it in. As it is now you need to almost take a class to setup and deposit and who gets support is determined the same way mega millions winners are picked. So good luck with that. Good luck trying to say and spell glytterpyss to a 50 year old woman from India.

I personally know 30 people that won't be assed to try and sign up and deposit money to play broken sites. Thats the reward for 3 days of emails and scanning and verifying, all the glorious sites mentioned above.

It doesn't even feel worth it to me to make posts like this or offer any perspective or ideas for helping the sites. As I mentioned the processes and cooperation of the sites and DGE is almost nonexistent. Its just not worth the time and struggle to explain and fight to get all the minor and major problems changed. I know nj is one of the first legal states, but at whatever point soon there are more states legalizing and states combining, these elementary school sites won't be ready for it. It will be the same junk software and heaps of problems just multiplied.

I feel that there is still much more that I can't recall and didn't even mention. Hopefully people will respond to this with some coherent thoughts and complaints.

We deserve alot better for the amount of rake that we pay and there need to be alot of changes fast if there's any hope for poker to expand all over the US. We should be the model for other states. Right now it's not even worth it for other states because we can't even post good enough profit numbers since no one can or wants to play.

Thanks for letting everyone know that you're not gonna play on New Jersey poker sites anymore.

No surprise about the Party Poker run site being utter ****e

i wonder if this thread gets nuked (it shouldnt).

lol i love this line

Cliffs: New Jersey online poker is exactly like online poker.

Took 4 months for wsop support to match my black label elite status top tier on site. When they did I got platinum. The bet slider increases the bet sometime by 2 or 3 bb increments. I also can't use a mouse slider both tilting when 6 tabling. Borgata only software issue is it crashes mid hand but it's a compatibility issue with HM2 I believe. Main gripe is ****ty support and God awful rb/promos. Offsure sites offer 27 to 32% for any limit while I get 6% on wsop unless I play for a year and 15% on borg for the highest tier. I am really shocked how we are all nor flocking to 888 they have the best rake back for a HUD site and is pretty much the same as wsop and had some decent promos. If they had the traffic to get said rb I would switch. Looking forward to stars in October hopefully it's a much needed game changer.

hoping they don't offer rakeback at all...rakeback chasers are one of the reasons why NJ sites are awful imo

You guys fail realize the #1 most important thing for the long-term sustainability of the games is providing secure software that geolocates properly, stops minors from gambling, prevents money laundering, etc. NJ is the guinea pig for Pennsylvania, California, New York, etc, and the single most important thing is that there haven't been any major screwups as far as regulation goes. It's going to allow other state representatives to point to NJ to prove that regulation can works to protect consumers in addition to just raising some tax revenue.

The NJ industry is going to keep getting better. In 5 years we should have some sort of Northeast compact with NY, PA, probably a couple other states like Maryland and Massachusetts too. The software will be better and the market will be more attractive, promoting more competition among the big dogs.

There have been a lot of short-term problems, but I think there has been a ton to be excited about long-term. Maybe I'm too much of an optimist or a fanboy, but that's my honest opinion. I just feel lucky to be from the state where it's all starting.

Not really imo, the most important thing NJ could demonstrate to other states is the ability to bring in the $$$$

Without Stars, I can't envision one thing to be excited about the future of the NJ Industry

Assume this is a level

govts are broke, I am very concerned with this regulation of poker, you got a standard 5% rake (effective 10% on profits) which then get taxed at up to 38%.

.9*.62 = 55.8% net profit after taxes
100% losses

Aware there are rake caps at high limits, but not all of us are there yet. At least in the stock market you can write off the losses!

OP raises good points.

I'm a player who has raked around 3k playing online poker this year. I've lived in New Jersey since I was born. I've paid like 10 dollars in rake (freerolled from the beginning, never got to deposit) to NJ sites because of how poorly they're run. Some of them seem comparable to the offshore options we've had, but honestly don't even come close (IMO, partly due to liquidity - haven't played in a while to confirm that player pool still sucks but I've heard it all over the place.)


I understand this is all kinda new so there were bound to be problems. I haven't tried in a couple months, but the fact that my debit card doesn't work to deposit on NJ sites just illustrates the problem. I use a major bank - and they deny my deposits. How the hell is online gaming supposed to make money if a fraction of the market can't even get money on easily? I play poker pretty much everyday and if I can't be bothered to try to get my money on these sites why would a recreational player try harder?

The extent to which NJ sites are incompetent is unacceptable. I'm gonna give Ultimate Poker a try, but basically until Party and WSOP decide to do better or PokerStars gets in the market, I can't really support these sites.

That being said, I managed to cash in a mediumish sized freeroll when Borgata first started rolling. I didn't think the software was all that bad. But I've heard horrid things about their customer support. That's important.

As for WSOP..... well there's this http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...ng-us-1433678/

I've heard better things about Ultimate Poker, but I've also seen that there player pool is way to small. Obviously if I'm not playing there I'm not doing any good for that, so I'll start soon. But I don't think NJ online poker is going to get any support from me, either, until I see positive changes. I'm hopeful that if inter state compacts and/or PokerStars' entrance to the market happens it will have a positive impact, but we'll see.

There was an update thread where OP said he was paid/reimbursed.

you assume wrong

Rackbackers just load up the tables, slow games down, and nit it up

Back in the old days, people used to count on making money in the games. Not try and break even.

No poker for years and now that its regualated, up and running people dont want to play.

You had to expect some growing pains with these sites, not supporting it doesnt help anything at all

Oh, there was poker. Carbon Poker, which was a way better site than anything NJ currently has to offer. But now I can't play on it.

You have it backwards. The market does not want this inferior product, know it's up to them to improve or be eliminated.

I'll go check that out, but from what I remember when I read the thread was that that only happened after a report was made to the gaming commission. Not only that, but there attitude prior to the thread blowing up is terrible. I think it's pretty clear that they didn't have any intention of paying that money before people got upset.

Arguably, unregulated online poker may not be better in that regard, but I expected more from WSOP.

EDIT: OP of that thread has only posted one thread, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I know he was eventually reimbursed, but that's sort of beside the point. Reading that thread made me not want to play WSOP.com until there are major changes. And I think that it is a legitimate reason to boycott their site. If they claimed originally that they weren't going to reimburse him because he made money overall in the games he played with colluders, why should I trust them?

Bringing in money isn't as important for most states if you can't prove you can save the children, prevent money laundering, geolocate accurately, etc. We're setting the groundwork for other states to potentially compact with. States like CA and PA are looking to NJ and NV to see how the technology is working on the regulatory side.

It's certainly not ideal for us yet, but it's way better than it was with Merge, ACM and Bovada IMO.

lol at saving the children and stopping the funding of terrorists

In what way is NJ online better than Merge? I always got my money on and off fast and can't recall ever being booted off the site. Prizepools were bigger. I got to play Horse and 2-7 TDL.

I know some people were scared because it was un rig-ulated. But c'mon poker has a nice history in the shadows. People used to get robbed and their heads blown off. Playing on Merge really wasn't that big of a gamble.

This sounds just like a when a major label signs a new band and a new unsigned band is getting more attention than the band they just poured all their money in to. What do they do? Promise the new up and coming band the world by signing them to long term horrific contracts and give them zero exposure, horrible recordings, and no shows to play, eliminating the competition.


Also, why would casino's that give horrible guarantees and charge horrible rake not do the same online? They are trying to get everybody back in the casino where you buy drinks, food, pay for parking, etc. The days of ever being able to make a living online are over if you are living in the US and probably won't ever be back.

Full Tilt, Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker are the history of online poker.

I'm not saying this to pipes, who lives in his own world.

I'm saying it because it needs to be said.

Who says that children playing and that money laundering was ever a problem on unregulated sites? Sheldon Adelson?

With all things you have to be smart and limit your liability. If you walk around the parking lot with 100K and you get robbed part of it is on you.

I don't need big daddy looking out for me. And if you think nothing shady can happen on a NJ site than you are a fool imo

Why on earth would it be?

To be clear, these aren't things that I personally believed the online gaming industry needed to desperately address. I was using them rather facetiously as examples of why NJ can be pointed to as a success from other states looking to convince more conservative officials. Given Sheldon Adelson's ridiculous arguments, this is definitely necessary on some level.