I didn't jump in at the last page.

So you have programming skills, and you are up to speed on terminology, and your bot forum has all the ins and outs to give you an edge over the games.

So you say.

Here's the problem, there are a lot of posters on this forum with serious agendas against the wpn network. Besides all your technical know how, you have not shared one single thread of evidence substantiating any of your claims. 30k? Nothing shown, not even a single screen shot of one deposit into any account. Not even a portion of a graph, nothing.

You can turn this thread into stone with something real. More than likely though, this just turns into dust.

You can prove what you are saying??

I guess you don't read the forums much.

If you actually check my account you will see that i probably spend more time in 2+2 than you.

I am not talking about rumours. Can you link me to a thread where it was proved that someone had an agenda vs WPN?

I asked because I'm pretty surprised you haven't seen the multiple accounts from a few people. Many of them get banned pretty quickly, but a number of accounts are around for a while before that happens. I guess thesparten is one of the more infamous ones. Do you really need me to link you to some of their threads?

Didn't get a chance to check who "mineheight" was (IE what other banned accounts he matches), but he started about 30 threads the other day in this and WPN's forum about how they were rigged.

And of course this isn't limited to WPN; we get people like that for many of the major sites.

Oh, and I can't tell how often you are on your account, from a historical standpoint. Not that it matters for our discussion, just wanted to let you know big brother doesn't watch that closely.

Dont want to derail the thread so i will answer you by pm.

There's a thread in wpn about Russian bots on wpn, you started it sir, made 2 posts, and now it's a dead thread. What's your agenda, infatuation with bots and wpn?

By the way, I never received any pm from you.

So you think he is making this up just to harm WPN? He posted a bunch of technical stuff, that got deleted, in his first post. But beyond that I assumed everyone knew that online is riddled with bots. Saying "x" network has bots, well, ya obviously??? Stars, which pretty much everyone knows has the best security, caught a ton at 1/2, a pretty big game on the toughest site, if they can win there then they will be everywhere.

You can say that "y" site has bots and doesn't care about them, and as long as "y" isn't Stars or Unibet, your going to be accurate.

Yes, I want to destroy WPN, aim being paid by other competitors.

I sent the pm to BOBO. Why the hell would i lose my time sending pm´s to pokemon hunters like you?

It's very doubtful the original poster created this thread in an attempt to discredit ACR/WPN. Most of their posts in this thread do not even mention any specific online room and are directed at their experience in botting as a whole. They even go on to mention that ACR/WPN had good customer service with timely withdrawal times and that they had a good relationship with the support of the site.

To be fair, you did demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the topics he'd covered between the first and last pages. But you're hardly alone.

OP, I thank you for a very interesting and informative discussion on a topic that we don't see addressed here very often. Your history and stated motivations ring true for me, and probably for many others who aren't posting, but are reading. Please ignore the typical 2+2 crapfest, and continue with the thread.

Im still on the fence on whether this is legit or a troll. My largest issue is the fact the he stopped the bot. I get it. It may not be perfect and can be improved, but you've basically got a money printing machine at a clip of $60k/year. Sure, checking in and identifying all those really super rare spots will help you eek out another 5k/year, but so what? Or maybe just letting it run and only checking in occasionally you'll only get $45k/yr. So what? You've put all this effort in, have proven success, and will just turn it off??? sorry, but this doesn't make sense. either you are a troll, or you are a still a botter and are lying about taking your bot offline.

Op was talking early on in the thread about how tough stars was to bot, then later on more about stars. So come to find out, it's not thru first hand knowledge, it's more of his involvement in a botting forum that he is knowledgeable about stars and bots.

I'm pretty sure that asking questions here is a basic part of the forum culture.

All I'm asking for is some proof, any kind of proof, something tangible, more than just words on a page. Anything in the realm of reality to confirm some of ops story.

Bobo is out hunting them as we speak.

Last month i tried WPN as a 4th network

All the tables i have had ended up having a minimum of 3 bots

All the guys with the same stats i reported to partypoker? gone.

Does not matter if OP lies, WPN is mostly bots, a few bad regs and the rare nitfish.

The only way to fix this is banning these damn russians from our pools. Let the eastern euros/russians play together.

I've come across at least 3-4 sites on google for different bots since people started talking about them on WPN. Also a bunch of videos on youtube. I guess i didn't realize how out in the open it all was.

I'm just curious, are you thinking that the bots you can easily find for sale straight up do not function, or that they cannot win?

Whether or not OP is lying about his particular exp doesn't really matter as long as the information he relayed is mostly accurate, which by my account (whatever merit that has), is.

Some people ITT have expressed an extremely narrow minded view, imo, IF what the OP is claiming is true, what they did is just a symptom but the fact that they were able to do it and get away with it is the real problem.

Stop being so naive, poker wasn't invented for online play, it being played in that arena comes with evolving risks, bots being one. That's something Poker sites need to be ever diligent about and if they are not, it's good for players to be made aware so they can make a more informed decision about their patronage.

Some people on here seem to express little to no concept of personal responsibility, online poker doesn't operate on a ****ing honor system, it's on Poker sites to enforce their TOS for the players that fund them and for those players to be informed about the sites they are funding. Stop berating the OP and start berating the sites you play on for evidence they take preventing botting seriously. Get over yourselves, the OP doesn't owe anybody ****, it's on the Poker sites and the players holding them accountable.

Or you can try shaming confessed botters for not playing fair and hope that spreads exponentially throughout the botting world until there are none left.

Ok curious, I would like to see some real proof that op actually took 30k off the site. To that end, I'm even willing to concede he setup a functioning system on his own. I've said repeatedly he has the knowledge.

But how can this discussion proceed without something solid showing real dollars and cents results?

There's been a lot of good points brought up here, meaningful points related to how we perceive online poker.

If we are going to have these discussions, don't you think it's best we are 100% certain that op is not a liar?

Who cares if he's lying about his results? You're the only one in the thread that cares about his results. Just read his answers. He's talking about programming and the community of botters. If you really think he's making it up then he's great at it and maybe some of it's even true since it seems so believable. The other alternative is to just believe him and entertain this thread so you can ask him some interesting questions.

If you think it's just a money cranking machine that he just turned off then you clearly don't understand already and should re-read the thread.

100% agree with you.

Give us a graph so we can start believing you made a profit of 30k in 6 months. Only playing cash games ?

Sorry all, I was just lying, just trolling. Why can't I edit my posts? Can a mod lock this thread please?

Is there an edit/delete timer?

I see from the FAQ that it's likely due to the way this particular sub was set up. Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you all, I was just bored and wanted to troll. This is why I could not post any proof. I hope that admin can delete this thread so as to not cause undue panic in the players or to unnecessarily slander WPN's reputation. ACR should ask to have this thread deleted since there is no reason why my unfortunate misstep, with no proof or evidence to support any of the allegations in this thread, should unnecessarily cause them financial harm or bring negative publicity.

Sounds panicked, guessing your worried someone has your identity?