Nice Name.
I am not sure how much it would cost ACR. I am in the software design field and so are many other members on 2plus2. I assume many would be willing to attempt a solution. I am not in security so I may be talking out of my ass It may be impossible. Who knows.
I find it odd we didnt hear **** from the rest of sites on the WPN network . ie. BCP,TRUE,BETCOIN, a few others when this **** went public.

Between Americas CardRoom and the rest of WPN, I would think they would have the cash to try .
I imagine something legit and transparent will be built if the dam game ever gets legalized again in the US.

Ya I watched the stream when he promised all that. I am not sure if they did anything or not. The only way to get results is if people quit playing the beast and strike against it until they realize players are not playing anymore.

People think poker has gotten to tough and the players are to good. I disagree its just filled with more bots on the tables that play all day long and take up seats that some fish could be sitting on.

So I confessed awhile back to being a botter and I get the same hate responses over and over. Its almost laughable. Most of you would never make it as a botter as it takes serious dedication and hard work to get the job done. I guarantee we spend more time learning/analyzing poker then the average full time reg.

You guys have no idea whats it like to be on this side of the table. So trash us all you want, label us cheaters, label us as the demise of the game. Its ridiculous. If you had any sense at all you would stfu and learn from us.

You guys have the skills to beat 95% of the bots out there so get to work and stop complaining. Most bots suck and are being driven by get rick quick wannabes who have no skills or dedication whatsover to make it work. They are in over their head and they will all give up or go broke trying. In the end your going to get all their money. So get on it before the rake takes them out first.

Most botters fail, and some fail BIG. I know one team that had a 3 million dollar roll and an office full of programmers. Lost it all due to poor management, greed and an AI that a kindergartner could write.

Do you really think the bot is the going ruin the game? If you do you have no clue as to what the real dangers are in this game. Its the beginning of the end so adapt or die a slow death.

So let me get this str8 : you are saying that it takes more hard work to become a botter than a normal pro reg? I highly doubt it, but let's indulge in the idea a little, shall we...

What advantages do botters have over normal regs then? Why would someone go out of their way to go against the rules then precisely? Something has to give... Are the winnings 2 or 3 times superior? Does the higher volume justify the risks?

Something just doesn't add up in your argument, where you say that most botters fail and are weak, yet complain on how tough it is...

edit : for the record, I am sincerely trying to get more info here and am not attacking you from an ethical stance...

wow read most of this thread and online poker is indeed doomed.

Botting has been a known secret for years now, and OP is as guilty as the sites that allow them. Just admit that poker has degenerated a long path since its conception, and many aiding software has come through the same scrutinity about how fair is the advantage and removes the human part of the game, name it pt, hm, sharky, icm calcs, etc.

whats hard to believe about it? of course it makes sense to work hard on a bot, adjust it and make it profitable, run it, and then give maintenance to it by adjusting the code etc, rather than seat at a a pc grinding 10+ hours a day with a chance of making errors + studying the game itself. He is basically not playing and getting better output to work with.

How do you know this? Botter communities? Especially the story with the team that had a 3 million dollar roll.
Do you know more about them? What sites did they use their bots on? What games? What stakes?

I applaud you bro.

Although it may seem scumish on the surface, that is the culture of illegal online poker, hard to avoid.

I find the programming and effort put into the bot impressive man.

OP's last post, July 2016:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...7&postcount=30

"ACR CEO was on Twitch earlier and promised that at the end of the month, the site will become very bot-unfriendly--that botters will no longer be able to operate with complete impunity.

Challenge accepted."

Definitely this. I would love to talk to these people and write a story about them (keeping them fully anonymous, unless they want to reveal themselves for some reason).


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Kahn

Quit with the ominous dramatics. What is the real danger? Solvers? If so, it will still be bots using solver strategies that will make the games worse than they need to be. Bots are one of the biggest contributing factors to poor game quality. I speak from experience playing in bot filled games on the Chico network. There is a noticeable difference when playing at a table with none to one to multiple bots.

Grunching

Within the next ten to fifteen years AI will have advanced to the point where they will be conscious entities capable of playing perfect GTO poker while simultaneously being undetectable. That's how long online poker will exist before only idiots will be willing to play against unexploitable "bots".

I put the word "bot" in scare quotes because these will be conscious rational beings just like us but able to process much more information at a much faster rate. They will likely be much smarter than the average human in that sense.

Oh, God. Will they do butt stuff? Man, I hope that's just aliens.

Close. They will be essentially raping people dumb enough to play on the virtual felt anyway.

I don't if it is bad to re-open this thread, but I want potential botters reading this along with OP to understand something.

Most poker players are losing money, anytime you have a bot in these games just understand that your not just taking money from winning players, your also taking money from individuals that are losing players. In any game where gambling is involved there will always be degenerates in those games also. You said you stole 30K from indivduals, of that 30k you stole, that is money those individuals could have used to support their families. Ofcourse people will say, well those individuals should not be playing if they are losing players and struggling financially, but that is not the reality and that is why casinos games like slots exist. There are alot of individuals that quite frankly are not that intelligent and they will play games that they simply should not be playing.

Now there is a difference between a good/strong poker player taking peoples money versus someone using a bot. The good poker player is playing a fair game where he has the ability to make money, even though the other individual may be a losing player, he still has the ability to win as the other poker player at the table does.

When you use a bot, that losing player has 0 chance of winning. That bot is GTD to have a +ROI over a long sample size, this is pure theft. Your idea of well I programmed the bot to play a certain way so therefor it is not cheating, even if you played exactly like that bot your still not going to be able to put in the hours that bot is able to do. Poker is more than just playing good, you have to also grind and put the hours in, you have to be able to put the hours in and play even when you don't want to play.

So just understand when steal peoples money, your stealing a gift/present that could've went to a child, that's money that could've helped put food on the table. So if this does not bother you your either A) Sociopath B) A terrible human being. I also guess it is easy to take peoples money when you don't have to look at there face and your protected infront of your computer screen. I'd have more respect if you actually took there money in front of there faces, but no you do it through a computer screen because your a *****!