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Old 09-08-2013, 09:55 PM   #1
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Comments in Chat

Well I was playing today and it was a Triple Up game..so three players collect...some fool started commenting in chat about: how he wasn't going to play against player 4 & 8...they had the big stacks as did he...he also asked them to not play against him or each other....I was on a small stack....

I thought the comment was way outta line...but maybe i was being sensitive...regardless I called Bovada and reported the guy...they said they were going to investigate.

So what do you think? Should I have just let it go? What normally happens with these situations? The end result was my stack got very short and that same idiot called my k-8 with a 7-4 and I was knocked out...

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Old 09-08-2013, 10:25 PM   #2
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ask bovada rep for a refund.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:52 PM   #3
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Re: Comments in Chat

Yes, you should always report collusion.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:53 PM   #4
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ask bovada rep for a refund.
Well I wouldn't mind a refund, but when this incident occurred I was already getting pretty low on chips, but maybe a partial refund...I don't expect it though...mainly I want that guy to be admonished and have his record tarnished in case he does it again, that way it could be seen as a pattern...He seemed pretty surprised when I told him I was reporting him so it may have just been a newbie type mistake.

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Old 09-09-2013, 12:48 AM   #5
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Re: Comments in Chat

Had the some thing happen a day or two ago, also in a Bovada triple-up, but directed at me. I responded with something along the lines of "I'm not going to actively collude with you". I ended up knocking the short stack out that hand anyways, but still.

I think you did exactly the right thing. Assuming the other two stacks didn't respond (which is what it sounds like the case is), nothing might turn up in the way of a monetary refund, but the other guy might still get a slap on the wrist or a warning or whatever.

By the way, assuming 1,500 chip starting stacks, and assuming the 3 big stacks have approximately an equal number of chips, all it takes is 1,000 chips to have the same amount of ICM equity as what you started the tournament with. So a refund of the buyin wouldn't be that ridiculous, particularly considering that even if they took it from the villian's prize, he'd still make a profit from the tournament.
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Old 09-09-2013, 07:59 AM   #6
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Re: Comments in Chat

I had a similar experience on Bovada a couple weeks back, except it was a regular SNG, with two payouts. There were three of us left. The big stack was bugged at me for some reason and purposely was doubling up the short stack so that I would go out first, which was ultimately successful. I got the big stack to admit this in chat and reported it.

Bovada said they'd look into it, but that they wouldn't let me know the results. Sure enough, I've heard nothing and neither did I get any kind of a refund. So, who knows what happened. In this case the collusion/chip-dumping seemed to be one-sided, but I believe I should have at least received my entry back from the big stack's prize.
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:24 AM   #7
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I had a similar experience on Bovada a couple weeks back, except it was a regular SNG, with two payouts. There were three of us left. The big stack was bugged at me for some reason and purposely was doubling up the short stack so that I would go out first, which was ultimately successful. I got the big stack to admit this in chat and reported it.

Bovada said they'd look into it, but that they wouldn't let me know the results. Sure enough, I've heard nothing and neither did I get any kind of a refund. So, who knows what happened. In this case the collusion/chip-dumping seemed to be one-sided, but I believe I should have at least received my entry back from the big stack's prize.
Keep us posted if anything comes of it in terms of a refund...now that I think more about it...I have recently run across another incident where there was some soft play (the blind was 300 and the small stack had 300 in, but the big blind did not call the extra 43 dollars) in order to target another player he was verbally go at it with in chat...it didn't bother me as much at the time because I had a large stack...ironically I wound up being the one that got eliminated and the guy he was targeted must have got paid...I don't want to be a complainer but the chat feature seems to cause a lot of problems.
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:31 AM   #8
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Had the some thing happen a day or two ago, also in a Bovada triple-up, but directed at me. I responded with something along the lines of "I'm not going to actively collude with you". I ended up knocking the short stack out that hand anyways, but still.

I think you did exactly the right thing. Assuming the other two stacks didn't respond (which is what it sounds like the case is), nothing might turn up in the way of a monetary refund, but the other guy might still get a slap on the wrist or a warning or whatever.

By the way, assuming 1,500 chip starting stacks, and assuming the 3 big stacks have approximately an equal number of chips, all it takes is 1,000 chips to have the same amount of ICM equity as what you started the tournament with. So a refund of the buyin wouldn't be that ridiculous, particularly considering that even if they took it from the villian's prize, he'd still make a profit from the tournament.
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I think BOVADA should let us know what action is taken and I am going to let them know that if I have another issue in the future. This incident was relatively minor, although it could have influenced play of others. I mean everybody already knows that you attack the small stacks in that situation, but to overtly plot is outta line I think. Bovada should slap players on the wrist first time and suspend 2nd time...so the integrity of the game is protected...players are already slightly suspicious so anything outta line should be dealt with and with transparency.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:52 AM   #9
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.now that I think more about it...I have recently run across another incident where there was some soft play (the blind was 300 and the small stack had 300 in, but the big blind did not call the extra 43 dollars) in order to target another player he was verbally go at it with in chat...it didn't bother me as much at the time because I had a large stack...ironically I wound up being the one that got eliminated and the guy he was targeted must have got paid...I don't want to be a complainer but the chat feature seems to cause a lot of problems.
This is something different completely. This is an obvious -EV move for the villain. Any time there's anything similar to this, I write down the hand number, and 24 hours later, after the cards are visible, I review the last several hands of the tournament, and if I suspect collusion, I report it (or I would -- honestly haven't seen anything suspicious yet)

What the OP is talking about is what you're supposed to do (other than the whole talking about it part). There's nothing at all wrong with it, as long as you don't try to make a verbal agreement with other players at the table. What you're talking about can be against the rules, if the player is trying to keep another player in the tournament. If there were other plays in that tournament that the players were doing the same thing, I would definitely report the person. You never know, they might be a pair of players that are colluding constantly, stealing money from lots of people.

Edit: Just realized you are the OP, but eh, same difference.
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:59 AM   #10
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Re: Comments in Chat

these type of games that are insanely prone to collusion should have chat off, or at the most chat-on for a couple of minutes into the sng, if some guys are colluding anyways you can easily spot them and report them anyways.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:39 AM   #11
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This is something different completely. This is an obvious -EV move for the villain. Any time there's anything similar to this, I write down the hand number, and 24 hours later, after the cards are visible, I review the last several hands of the tournament, and if I suspect collusion, I report it (or I would -- honestly haven't seen anything suspicious yet)

What the OP is talking about is what you're supposed to do (other than the whole talking about it part). There's nothing at all wrong with it, as long as you don't try to make a verbal agreement with other players at the table. What you're talking about can be against the rules, if the player is trying to keep another player in the tournament. If there were other plays in that tournament that the players were doing the same thing, I would definitely report the person. You never know, they might be a pair of players that are colluding constantly, stealing money from lots of people.

Edit: Just realized you are the OP, but eh, same difference.
Thanks for the info...I think you are right...if I were colluding, I would manufacture a dispute with another player through chat..and use that as an excuse to soft play against my partner...if I EVER run across that again I'm making another phone call...it may have been genuine but Bovada can check to see if it is a pattern and I can not.
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