i think i just found a third player in the ring. superman mot.





Email i sent to stars just now:


Subject: Collusion at 20.80 double or nothing sit and goes

but you probably knew that already. i did report them a few days ago,
after all.

tauren520 and hey!girl520 have played in 354 $20.80 double or nothings
together blatantly cheating the entire time. they have taken a combined
2814 in profits out of the economy. i have played in 8 tournaments with
them so far, and havent seen them go to a showdown together once. but i
have seen plenty of chip dumping.

why are their accounts not locked? is there really an investigation going
on? do the hundreds of dollars in rake i generate for your site every day
matter at all? does the integrity of your games matter at all?


PokerStars Game #44776722712: Tournament #277648867, $20.00+$0.80 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2010/05/29 11:23:53 ET
Table '277648867 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
Seat 1: twistedbeats (1910 in chips)
Seat 2: Hey!Girl520 (1555 in chips)
Seat 4: 69dje69 (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: BEBE789 (3540 in chips)
Seat 6: Rzv.STATE (1223 in chips)
Seat 9: Superman Mot (1740 in chips)
Seat 10: Tauren520 (3592 in chips)
twistedbeats: posts the ante 10
Hey!Girl520: posts the ante 10
69dje69: posts the ante 10
BEBE789: posts the ante 10
Rzv.STATE: posts the ante 10
Superman Mot: posts the ante 10
Tauren520: posts the ante 10
twistedbeats: posts small blind 50
Hey!Girl520: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to twistedbeats [Td 6d]
69dje69: folds
BEBE789: folds
Rzv.STATE: folds
Superman Mot: folds
Tauren520: calls 100
twistedbeats: folds
Hey!Girl520: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jd 4c Kc]
Hey!Girl520: bets 100
Tauren520: folds
Uncalled bet (100) returned to Hey!Girl520
Hey!Girl520 collected 320 from pot
Hey!Girl520: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 320 | Rake 0
Board [Jd 4c Kc]
Seat 1: twistedbeats (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Hey!Girl520 (big blind) collected (320)
Seat 4: 69dje69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BEBE789 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Rzv.STATE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Superman Mot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Tauren520 (button) folded on the Flop


PokerStars Game #44776747902: Tournament #277648867, $20.00+$0.80 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/05/29 11:24:34 ET
Table '277648867 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: twistedbeats (1850 in chips)
Seat 2: Hey!Girl520 (1765 in chips)
Seat 4: 69dje69 (1430 in chips)
Seat 5: BEBE789 (3530 in chips)
Seat 6: Rzv.STATE (1213 in chips)
Seat 9: Superman Mot (1730 in chips)
Seat 10: Tauren520 (3482 in chips)
twistedbeats: posts the ante 15
Hey!Girl520: posts the ante 15
69dje69: posts the ante 15
BEBE789: posts the ante 15
Rzv.STATE: posts the ante 15
Superman Mot: posts the ante 15
Tauren520: posts the ante 15
Hey!Girl520: posts small blind 75
69dje69: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to twistedbeats [9h Ts]
BEBE789: folds
Rzv.STATE: folds
Superman Mot: folds
Tauren520: calls 150
twistedbeats: folds
Hey!Girl520: raises 1600 to 1750 and is all-in
69dje69: folds
Tauren520: folds
Uncalled bet (1600) returned to Hey!Girl520
Hey!Girl520 collected 555 from pot
Hey!Girl520: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 555 | Rake 0
Seat 1: twistedbeats (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hey!Girl520 (small blind) collected (555)
Seat 4: 69dje69 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: BEBE789 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Rzv.STATE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Superman Mot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Tauren520 folded before Flop


PokerStars Game #44776971992: Tournament #277648867, $20.00+$0.80 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/05/29 11:30:37 ET
Table '277648867 1' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: twistedbeats (1765 in chips)
Seat 2: Hey!Girl520 (1755 in chips)
Seat 4: 69dje69 (1120 in chips)
Seat 5: BEBE789 (3990 in chips)
Seat 6: Rzv.STATE (1058 in chips)
Seat 9: Superman Mot (1855 in chips)
Seat 10: Tauren520 (3457 in chips)
twistedbeats: posts the ante 20
Hey!Girl520: posts the ante 20
69dje69: posts the ante 20
BEBE789: posts the ante 20
Rzv.STATE: posts the ante 20
Superman Mot: posts the ante 20
Tauren520: posts the ante 20
Tauren520: posts small blind 100
twistedbeats: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to twistedbeats [8d 9d]
Hey!Girl520: folds
69dje69: folds
BEBE789: folds
Rzv.STATE: folds
Superman Mot: folds
Tauren520: raises 400 to 600
twistedbeats: folds
Uncalled bet (400) returned to Tauren520
Tauren520 collected 540 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 540 | Rake 0
Seat 1: twistedbeats (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Hey!Girl520 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 69dje69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BEBE789 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Rzv.STATE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Superman Mot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Tauren520 (small blind) collected (540)

PokerStars Game #44777282762: Tournament #277648867, $20.00+$0.80 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2010/05/29 11:39:11 ET
Table '277648867 1' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: twistedbeats (1635 in chips)
Seat 2: Hey!Girl520 (1865 in chips)
Seat 5: BEBE789 (3385 in chips)
Seat 6: Rzv.STATE (1076 in chips)
Seat 9: Superman Mot (2275 in chips)
Seat 10: Tauren520 (4764 in chips)
twistedbeats: posts the ante 25
Hey!Girl520: posts the ante 25
BEBE789: posts the ante 25
Rzv.STATE: posts the ante 25
Superman Mot: posts the ante 25
Tauren520: posts the ante 25
Tauren520: posts small blind 125
twistedbeats: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to twistedbeats [Qs Ts]
Hey!Girl520: folds
BEBE789: raises 500 to 750
Rzv.STATE: folds
Superman Mot: folds
Tauren520: folds
twistedbeats: folds
Uncalled bet (500) returned to BEBE789
BEBE789 collected 775 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 775 | Rake 0
Seat 1: twistedbeats (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Hey!Girl520 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BEBE789 collected (775)
Seat 6: Rzv.STATE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Superman Mot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Tauren520 (small blind) folded before Flop


Email i sent two days ago:

Subject: Collusion at 20.80 sit and goes.

ook, i realize you are probably getting millions of witch hunt emails
about any two people with funny sounding locations right now, but i just
noticed these two players, tauren520 and hey!girl520 from the same
location (i dont know what the location is. i imagine it is from the same
character set) that play the same, and both have a huge (unsustainably
high) win rate. they have each played the exact number of 20$ sit and
goes, and as far as i can tell, theyre always playing the same ones. i
need to know that everything is on the up and up, and i would like an
investigation on them.

you can start here: Tournament #277015912

yup. this hand pretty much seals it.




PokerStars Game #44687989199: Tournament #277015912, $20.00+$0.80 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/05/27 12:43:21 ET
Table '277015912 1' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: famalo (725 in chips)
Seat 2: Hey!Girl520 (1065 in chips)
Seat 3: Gattling (1805 in chips)
Seat 4: ShuShyla!!! (2880 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: Tauren520 (1710 in chips)
Seat 6: twistedbeats (1575 in chips)
Seat 7: jardabudy (1520 in chips)
Seat 8: Superman Mot (2035 in chips)
Seat 9: ricigliano (1685 in chips)
famalo: posts the ante 15
Hey!Girl520: posts the ante 15
Gattling: posts the ante 15
ShuShyla!!!: posts the ante 15
Tauren520: posts the ante 15
twistedbeats: posts the ante 15
jardabudy: posts the ante 15
Superman Mot: posts the ante 15
ricigliano: posts the ante 15
famalo: posts small blind 75
Hey!Girl520: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to twistedbeats [Ad 4h]
Gattling: folds
ShuShyla!!!: folds
ShuShyla!!! has returned
Tauren520: calls 150
twistedbeats: folds
jardabudy: folds
Superman Mot: folds
ricigliano: folds
famalo: calls 75
Hey!Girl520: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd Qs 3c]
famalo: checks
Hey!Girl520: checks
Tauren520: bets 150
famalo: folds
Hey!Girl520: raises 750 to 900 and is all-in
Tauren520: folds
Uncalled bet (750) returned to Hey!Girl520
Hey!Girl520 collected 885 from pot
Hey!Girl520: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 885 | Rake 0
Board [Kd Qs 3c]
Seat 1: famalo (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Hey!Girl520 (big blind) collected (885)
Seat 3: Gattling folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ShuShyla!!! folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Tauren520 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: twistedbeats folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: jardabudy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Superman Mot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ricigliano (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

So nice of them to both add 520 to the end of their names so that they are easy to spot.

wow popcorn at the ready

Seriously this is getting beyond belief, thank god for 2+2

100% cheating proven by their roi's together.

Seriously don's need to die.

posting this email allows the colluders to possibly see that you are on to them and cash out their accounts. imo you should stay quiet until stars responds. in my history it's always been a few days.

Also- your hand histories are pointless. One of them doesnt even involve the two suspects. The others are all super standard.

In my opinion the biggest evidence is the sharscope stats. This seems pretty open and shut though.

If such an edge can be gathered by collusion in DON's isn't it time the sites figured out a software method to automatically detect it?
Either that or do away with them.

I feel for you regulars because I now think the DON's are doomed. Starting to think Security does'nt have the manpower it needs to police the DON's.

Played a handful of $20's a while back, could not believe the obvious chip-dumping that was going on, and when reported to stars they said it wasn't collusion because one time [only once] a week previously they got all-in vs each other. Will never play again.

So all the cheaters have to do is a strategic all-in against each other a couple times a week. Chinese were just too greedy.

OMG, just done the searches on them. It's deffo colluding — their ROIs are unreal, even for a heater. They aren't even subtle, they're pretty much always in the same game.

Great catch twisted.

We've all got to be really vigilant from now on. Come on people, we can beat these scumbags

fyp.

can you please also include superman mot?

i disagree. i just think they need to be policed better.


the one that doesnt involve them is a mistake. sorry about that. the other three are clearly chip dumping. what are you talking about them being standard?

hey twisted, just read your OP again and realised you mentioning there's a third player involved in this.

They are all three of them registering in blocks of just four games, all three of them always in the same games at only a medium buyin is so unbelievably bad - just watched their last game finish only a few minutes ago. At such a time as this, middle of a Saturday afternoon, it's not like the 20s rarely go off or whatever, they go off more than once per minute. It's virtually impossible for all three of them to keep picking the same four games by chance.

Maybe Stars should just hire 2+2 to police their games and fire their current security staff. Thats about the only way cheating is going to be stopped.

Why would they pay? They can just wait a week or 2 and 2+2 does it for them anyway,lol. Why pay for the cow when you get milk for free?

all 3 on bubble right now

meh, last hand

PokerStars Game #44786221427: Tournament #277708250, $20.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2010/05/29 12:17:58 PT [2010/05/29 15:17:58 ET]
Table '277708250 1' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: woland1973 (2200 in chips)
Seat 3: domhabs (1730 in chips)
Seat 5: Superman Mot (5598 in chips)
Seat 6: Tauren520 (1798 in chips)
Seat 9: Hey!Girl520 (1864 in chips)
Seat 10: Veilor (1810 in chips)
woland1973: posts the ante 40
domhabs: posts the ante 40
Superman Mot: posts the ante 40
Tauren520: posts the ante 40
Hey!Girl520: posts the ante 40
Veilor: posts the ante 40
Veilor: posts small blind 200
woland1973: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
domhabs: folds
Superman Mot: raises 400 to 800
Tauren520: folds
Hey!Girl520: raises 1024 to 1824 and is all-in
Veilor: calls 1570 and is all-in
woland1973: folds
Superman Mot: calls 1024
*** FLOP *** [Jc Tc 6c]
*** TURN *** [Jc Tc 6c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Tc 6c Ts] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Superman Mot: shows [4h 3s] (a pair of Tens)
Hey!Girl520: shows [6h 6d] (a full house, Sixes full of Tens)
Hey!Girl520 collected 108 from side pot
Veilor: shows [Kc Ks] (a flush, Ace high)
Hey!Girl520 collected 5950 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6058 Main pot 5950. Side pot 108. | Rake 0
Board [Jc Tc 6c Ts Ac]
Seat 2: woland1973 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: domhabs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Superman Mot showed [4h 3s] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: Tauren520 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Hey!Girl520 (button) showed [6h 6d] and won (6058) with a full house, Sixes full of Tens
Seat 10: Veilor (small blind) showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a flush, Ace high

This. It's not that they don't have the manpower to police DONs. All they need is to run a computer program that automatically does what 2+2'ers are doing!

Those hating DONs (or simply thinking that they are more prone to collusion): Please give me an argument that shows that 5 players sharing hole cards in PLO cash games is either easier to detect (assuming that the players are not stupid enough to want to win 1000 BB/100 hands, or play always together, or things like that) or less profitable.

i sent stars an e-mail about tauren and heygirl a few days ago. pretty obv collusion

How is the money confiscated if someone is caught?

Do they loose money from all winnings they've made or only from those where there are questionable plays?

Does their winnings go to the person loosing on the bubble or to all players?

Couldn't it be exploitable?

You actively seek out DoNs where you are 100% sure at least 2 players are cheating. If you win all is well. But you could actually care about getting 6th (or even 7th) if one or both of them are cashing? Then you turn them in and hope they haven't had time to cash-out.

It seems like it would be pretty easy to come at least 7th in 90% of all DoNs.

Never played a DoN. Just curious.

Lol. Really nice. Does someone really need a lot of manpower is necessary to police DONs? Stars, your investigation is over. Time to send your message to the colluders "based on a routine review of their hands".

For those that didn't see it, I think it's worth pointing out that you said that they were on the bubble and then this hand came.

what I don't get is that they can do this over such a long period of time before getting caught.. I just wonder how many more there'll be in the future the more it's shown that it's really-super-easy and you get away with like 95% of your money if you just have a Neteller and a sound withdrawel tactic... Sickening...

stars apparently lurks all these threads so hopefully they see this before the cheaters do.

I bet Stars has already seen it. Anyway, if the cheaters cash out, Stars will reimburse everyone out of their pockets (lol).

There is no such arguement.

Just I don't like don's,the fish do,so i'd like rid of them obv