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01-25-2009, 10:03 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 27
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cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
Dear Matic (Push_all-in)
We are writing to inform you that in the recent weekly "Big Deal" tournament (ID 45051968) the player who finished in 1st place was found not eligible to receive his winnings from the tournament. A decision has been made to redistribute the 1st place prize to the other players who finished in the money.
As you finished in 8th place in the tournament, you have now been allocated the prize for 7th place.
You have now received a further $680.40 on top of your original winnings, bringing your total tournament prize up to $3,912.30.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind regards
Shelley
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01-25-2009, 03:14 PM
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#2
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banned
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 28
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
Jonas Klausen
TULKAZ
was banned from Bwin for collusion
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01-25-2009, 03:31 PM
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#3
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2005
Location: My gimmick account is still a mod.
Posts: 8,790
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
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Originally Posted by miheljo
Dear Matic (Push_all-in)
We are writing to inform you that in the recent weekly "Big Deal" tournament (ID 45051968) the player who finished in 1st place was found not eligible to receive his winnings from the tournament. A decision has been made to redistribute the 1st place prize to the other players who finished in the money.
As you finished in 8th place in the tournament, you have now been allocated the prize for 7th place.
You have now received a further $680.40 on top of your original winnings, bringing your total tournament prize up to $3,912.30.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind regards
Shelley
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Wait... So they're moving everyone in the money up one place? What about hte one person who got eliminated on the bubble? He didn't finish "in the money," but if they don't move him up one place, then the site is making a little windfall here.
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01-25-2009, 03:35 PM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Brazil
Posts: 700
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
Fantastic...
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01-25-2009, 03:53 PM
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#5
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banned
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 28
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
Took 42.500$ and never contacted him lol.
Big deal in Danish forums
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01-26-2009, 05:23 AM
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#6
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ongame, Europe
Posts: 50
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
It’s something about him playing from a hotel room at an event. Thereby he was sharing the IP with the rest of the hotel.
Evidently a violation of T&C.
Fair? Hard to say – anyway this mean the end to playing at hotels, airports and other hotspots.
Well I hope at least BWIN at some point contacted him.
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01-26-2009, 05:40 AM
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#7
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: feeding and losing ELO
Posts: 6,820
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
whoaaaaaa
srs bzns
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01-26-2009, 06:41 AM
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#8
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newbie
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Denmark
Posts: 18
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
Im just writing the story in english, expect it in 1-2 hours..
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01-26-2009, 07:34 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: 99 problems but a TT+ just ship pf
Posts: 5,097
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
colour me interested
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01-26-2009, 10:29 AM
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#10
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newbie
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Denmark
Posts: 18
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
Its takeing a little longer than expected, its gonna be online tonight..
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01-26-2009, 01:02 PM
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#11
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stranger
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 13
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
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Originally Posted by P9P9
It’s something about him playing from a hotel room at an event. Thereby he was sharing the IP with the rest of the hotel.
Evidently a violation of T&C.
Fair? Hard to say – anyway this mean the end to playing at hotels, airports and other hotspots.
Well I hope at least BWIN at some point contacted him.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by miheljo
Dear Matic (Push_all-in)
We are writing to inform you that in the recent weekly "Big Deal" tournament (ID 45051968) the player who finished in 1st place was found not eligible to receive his winnings from the tournament. A decision has been made to redistribute the 1st place prize to the other players who finished in the money.
As you finished in 8th place in the tournament, you have now been allocated the prize for 7th place.
You have now received a further $680.40 on top of your original winnings, bringing your total tournament prize up to $3,912.30.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind regards
Shelley
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On a danish poker site BWIN made this statement:
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Official statement from bwin regarding Jonas Klausens closed account:
bwin noticed suspicious behaviour during the “Big Deal” poker tournament, which was also reported by several of the participating players. Upon investigation of this incident, it was found that player Jonas Klausen had played against himself in the tournament with 2 accounts.
Consistent with the Terms & Conditons posted on the website (Policies 3 and 4), the player’s winning account was shut down and winnings from the tournament were subsequently paid to the victim players. No winnings were kept by bwin.
The remaining funds on Jonas Klausen’s account that are not related to the “Big Deal” Tournament is not affected and he is entitled to withdraw his funds.
bwin would like to state clearly that in all cases where fraud is detected it is required to - and will continue to - take such decisive action in order to guarantee fair play.
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Wonder what went wrong for Ongame/BWIN....
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01-26-2009, 01:23 PM
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#12
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newbie
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Denmark
Posts: 18
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
Well - Alot of things happen here in between my story and now.. To the statement bwin has made I have written my statement and im gonna post that instead.. If anyone is interested in hearing the other story just tell me and I will post it..
Official statement from Jonas Klausen regarding the seizure of his funds from BWIN
I am the account holder of Tulkaz33 on BWIN.
This is the only account I played January 18th 2009 in Ongames Big Deal Tournament.
Another account named TulkazZzz (Eurobet) played the same tournament from the same hotel that I stayed at. The tulkazZzz account does not belong to me. The similarities in nickname on the account are because my good friend Alexander KP is the account holder. I take the “copy” of my nickname as a compliment. HOWEVER this is the only connection between the 2 accounts.
Alex and I stayed at the same hotel in Paris- we both played the BIG DEAL tournament. We were never in the same room at the hotel during the tournament.
There is nothing odd in 2 Danish players playing the same tournament from the same hotel. A lot of Danish players play the European tournaments and of course we use same hotel. So do the Swedes, Norwegians etc. It is very common to live together with your countrymen when you travel the European Circuit or during WSOP.
There is nothing odd in having a similar nickname (Mike123, MikeG, Mikethemighty etc.).
There is nothing odd in Tulkaz33 and TulkazZzz playing in the same tournaments. BWIN and their fraud team SHOULD have checked this, as it has happened on several occasions before. On those occasions I have played from my home in Odense and Alex from his home in Århus (or wherever he was). The Fraud team should have checked that there has NEVER before been any IP relationship between these accounts.
BWIN and the Ongame fraud team could have investigated this and contacted me to get an explanation. Instead they decided to judge me and take my winnings without any questions asked.
Their statement:
“bwin noticed suspicious behaviour during the “Big Deal” poker tournament, which was also reported by several of the participating players. Upon investigation of this incident, it was found that player Jonas Klausen had played against himself in the tournament with 2 accounts.”
This is not a true statement. The only suspicious behavior is that me and Alexander (and a lot of Danish poker players) stayed at the same hotel and played in the same tournament. There is no evidence of me playing both accounts. BWIN would easily be able to see, that the 2 accounts have no history of playing together except for their bigger tournaments.
The hotel in Paris will of course be able to confirm that both I and Alex stayed there in separate rooms. Both our names will be found in the records from Aviation Club where we played in the European Poker Reward Tournaments.
I am 100% innocent in the accusations and allegations against me. The trial that was held internally by BWIN and Ongame reached a wrong conclusion. Their investigations failed when they decided not to ask or hear out the player involved in the case.
Last edited by Tulkaz; 01-26-2009 at 01:47 PM.
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01-26-2009, 01:38 PM
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#13
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,785
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulkaz
Well - Alot of things happen here in between my story and now.. To the statement bwin has made I have written my statement and im gonna post that instead.. If anyone is interested in hearing the other story just tell me and I will post it..
Official statement from Jonas Klausen regarding the seizure of his funds from BWIN
I am the account holder of Tulkaz33 on BWIN.
This is the only account I played January 18th 2009 in Ongames Big Deal Tournament.
Another account named TulkazZzz (Eurobet) played the same tournament. The account does not belong to me. The similarities in nickname on the account are because my good friend Alexander KP is the account holder. I take the “copy” of my nickname as a compliment. HOWEVER this is the only connection between the 2 accounts.
Alex and I stayed at the same hotel in Paris- we both played the BIG DEAL tournament. We were never in the same room at the hotel during the tournament nor did we communicate on MSN , Skype or similar.
There is nothing odd in 2 Danish players playing the same tournament from the same hotel. A lot of Danish player play the European tournaments and of course we use same hotel. So do the Swedes, Norwegians etc. It is very common to live together with your countrymen when you travel the European Circuit or during WSOP.
There is nothing odd in having a similar nickname (Mike123, MikeG, Mikethemighty etc.).
There is nothing odd in Tulkaz33 and TulkazZzz playing in the same tournaments. BWIN and their fraud team SHOULD have checked this as it has happened on several occasions before. On those occasions I have played from my home in Odense and Alex from his home in Århus (or wherever he was).
BWIN and the Ongame fraud team could have investigated this and contacted me to get an explanation. Instead they decided to judge me and take my winnings without any questions asked.
Their statement:
“bwin noticed suspicious behaviour during the “Big Deal” poker tournament, which was also reported by several of the participating players. Upon investigation of this incident, it was found that player Jonas Klausen had played against himself in the tournament with 2 accounts.”
This is not a true statement. The only suspicious behavior is that me and Alexander (and a lot of Danish poker players) stayed at the same hotel and played in the same tournament. There is no evidence of me playing both accounts. BWIN would easily be able to see, that the 2 accounts have no history of playing together except for their bigger tournaments.
The hotel in Paris will of course be able to confirm that both I and Alex stayed there in separate rooms. Both our names will be found in the records from Aviation Club where we played in the European Poker Reward Tournaments.
I am 100% innocent in the accusations and allegations against me. The trial that was held internally by BWIN and Ongame reached a wrong conclusion. Their investigations failed when they decided not to ask or hear out the player involved in the case.
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Regardless of whether you're guilty or innocent...... You're not too bright.
Seriously just look at how this appears to people on the surface, you decide to play the 2nd largest MTT on the network (I think) with near identical account names from the same IP and one of you happens to win it.
I'm not saying you're guilty as I have no evidence one way or the other - but I note tht BWin stated there was "suspicious behaviour" which was reported by several players. Do similar account names qualify as "suspicious behaviour" or are they referring to softplaying / chipdumping etc?
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01-26-2009, 01:54 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Denmark
Posts: 18
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
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Originally Posted by Tweed _Man
Regardless of whether you're guilty or innocent...... You're not too bright.
Seriously just look at how this appears to people on the surface, you decide to play the 2nd largest MTT on the network (I think) with near identical account names from the same IP and one of you happens to win it.
I'm not saying you're guilty as I have no evidence one way or the other - but I note tht BWin stated there was "suspicious behaviour" which was reported by several players. Do similar account names qualify as "suspicious behaviour" or are they referring to softplaying / chipdumping etc?
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Well thats the thing. We where never at the same table?
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01-26-2009, 02:12 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: 99 problems but a TT+ just ship pf
Posts: 5,097
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Re: cheating on Towerpoker - Ongame BigDeal Tourney?
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Originally Posted by Tulkaz
Well thats the thing. We where never at the same table?
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Wow, so when support said "player Jonas Klausen had played against himself", this was entirely incorrect? It also becomes doubtful other players would have reported you.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that in your first post - it makes their claim that other players reported you for "suspicious play" as pretty doubtful.
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