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Old 07-24-2012, 05:06 AM   #16
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

The blackjack screen shot is pretty supportive of your theory that something happened here. There are two hands mislabeled in it that I saw at a quick glance.

I don't know what to tell you since I have not heard of a similar bug but a guess would be, have you modified the cards or layout? Perhaps what ever mod you are using doesn't display certain combinations correctly or contains a bug?
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:35 PM   #17
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

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I have been trying to get the HH since this happend but Carbon is not allowing me to view it for some reason. I'll try Pokertracker.



I do have it but I reinstalled windows recently and I haven't been playing enough to reinstall it. I will try pokertracker. I don't think pokertracker is going to change anything though because after the hand happend I looked at the HH already.

I do agree with you about people misreading there hands at the end of the session. But I only had 1 table open and 5/10 is a lot higher then I should be playing with the amount of money I have online. Plus you always want to win a decent pot at the end of your session I was paying attention intently.
Neither the BJ issue nor the poker issue are ones that I have heard of so far since working here.

If you can provide me with hand numbers, I would gladly take a look into the issue for you.

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Old 07-24-2012, 03:50 PM   #18
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

Hold em - 5/10 LHE table Norwegian Fjords III (58761249). The History for the game is 58761249-73 Start Time:07 23 15:07 Real Money (Hold'em)

Blackjack - 33271167-10
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:05 PM   #19
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

Can you post the unconverted hand history as seen in your database?

I asked many of the players I back on Merge and none ever heard of such a thing.

Thanks.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:27 PM   #20
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Can you post the unconverted hand history as seen in your database?

I asked many of the players I back on Merge and none ever heard of such a thing.

Thanks.
OK i finally found the hand I was having some major issues with PT3 and I couldn't find the hand.



juarino is sitting out.
LoHo5280 Posts SB 2.00
yumi38 Posts BB 5.00
chipmanchip Folds
iLLmaculate Raised to 10.00
bassey Folds
LoHo5280 Calls 8.00
yumi38 Calls 5.00
LoHo5280 Checks
yumi38 Checks
iLLmaculate Bets 5.00
LoHo5280 Calls 5.00
yumi38 Folds
LoHo5280 Checks
iLLmaculate Bets 10.00
LoHo5280 Calls 10.00
LoHo5280 Checks
iLLmaculate Bets 10.00
LoHo5280 Calls 10.00
iLLmaculate Shows 3c,Td
LoHo5280 Shows 9c,8s
LoHo5280 Won 78.00 from Pot 1 with Two Pair Eights and Twos

Like I was saying though it doesn't really prove anything and just makes me look like I actually could have misread my hand which isn't the case.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:53 PM   #21
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

Will be tricky for anything to happen if the hand history recorded as that, not quite sure what you expect to happen here at this point since as you indicated all it can do in theory is show that you may have misread your hand.

I have backed over 100 players on Merge and never heard of anything like this (and I definitely would have if someone believed it happened), and it seems like nobody else has seen a case of this as well, so you know why that makes it tricky.

Certainly do not play there if you believe it happened.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:03 PM   #22
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Will be tricky for anything to happen if the hand history recorded as that, not quite sure what you expect to happen here at this point since as you indicated all it can do in theory is show that you may have misread your hand.

I have backed over 100 players on Merge and never heard of anything like this (and I definitely would have if someone believed it happened), and it seems like nobody else has seen a case of this as well, so you know why that makes it tricky.

Certainly do not play there if you believe it happened.
I just wanted this to be put out there and see if anyone else has had a similar issue. I would not have even posted this if I hadn't had the issue with my blackjack hand in the past. There is going to be a mistake by the software once in a blue moon. I've read posts of people having the same cards on UB and I'm sure there has been plenty of other issues in the past.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:18 PM   #23
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

Insofar as the Hand History not loading. That is very likely the hibernation bug. If you sleep/hibernate your computer one day, and open it another day, the HH tab can cease to function until you close and reopen the software. It's not a conspiracy


Having played millions of hands of poker I have mistakenly read my cards a number of times. It sucks... that's why we have hand histories, to confirm/deny our perceptions.

Are you suggesting that Merge purposefully changed your cards to screw you out of one pot? I can assure you, that's simply not the case.

I'm certain Ryan will review this to his fullest extent with the IT guys and confirm deny the 3 turning into an A or not... I think you simply misread your hand sir. It happens.


**EDIT** I've seen you at the tables. I've played more LHE on Merge than anyone... never had such an issue

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Old 07-24-2012, 07:09 PM   #24
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

What happens to me on Merge is hands from another table will still appear after a new table popped up. So even though I might think I have AK, it was actually on a different table and I really have something else. I agree, it's very frustrating.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:19 PM   #25
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What happens to me on Merge is hands from another table will still appear after a new table popped up. So even though I might think I have AK, it was actually on a different table and I really have something else. I agree, it's very frustrating.
Same here. Can't stack anymore. I thought it was my video card so I replaced it with a new and better one. Didn't help at all. Not sure what is causing this problem for us. I think it's something on our side though. I am thinking of re-installing windows to see if that helps. Just to lazy.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:23 PM   #26
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

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Same here. Can't stack anymore. I thought it was my video card so I replaced it with a new and better one. Didn't help at all. Not sure what is causing this problem for us. I think it's something on our side though. I am thinking of re-installing windows to see if that helps. Just to lazy.
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What happens to me on Merge is hands from another table will still appear after a new table popped up. So even though I might think I have AK, it was actually on a different table and I really have something else. I agree, it's very frustrating.
Ghosting could be a video card DRIVER issue. You might try two things.

1) Getting the most updated WHQL drivers.

2) Getting the most updated drivers from the manufacturer.

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Old 07-24-2012, 09:05 PM   #27
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

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This blackjack hand took place for me about a year ago. In the world I live in 9 + 2 does not = 16. I was refunded no money in this hand after multiple emails with support. You don't have to believe me but I will not be playing online poker ever again until Stars is back up and running in the US.
And we are to believe you STAYED on 11???? Something is wrong for sure

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Old 07-24-2012, 10:23 PM   #28
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

So, looked into this. Of course PTR misses two hands here which include 58761249-73, the interesting thing that I am surprised you didn't tell us, is that you had Ah10d on the button. I mean, you were so precise in your descriptions, I thought you might include you got A10 for 2nd hand in a row.

Might seem a little tight here, but he was very exact in his descriptions. I am just curious, why do you say you play 3-6, 5/10, when you also play 2/4 including that day (and 2500 hands total, 4th highest of your blind levels)? Also, you still had a 2/4 game opened and played for another 16 minutes.

After being ripped off and saying you will not play there again, you come back tonight, within the last hour or so, and play 29 hands of 3/6. Strange?

Interesting, you say you play from 3/6 to 20/40- yet you only have 324 hands at 20/40 and 2500 hands at 2/4. Just hit my curiosity a bit. Maybe I am being too exact.

Also, not that it matters but PTR shows you at 30,693 hands, quite a stretch from 50-100K

Are you telling us PokerTracker got it wrong also?

I also found this story he told about a hand under a different 2+2 name, that many in the thread found hard to believe

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9 handed 8/16 game at CP.

My friend is sitting to my left I am talking to him not really paying attention. UTG horrible player on tilt to my right raises with KK and doesnt announce it and I limp with Q10s. My buddy folds I attempt to take my bet back when I realize what happend and put my cards somewhat into the muck next to my friends.
The dealer who I'm pretty cool with decides to give me my cards back. The button calls with Ks8s.

Flop comes 2s4s10c UTG fires out I am about to fold my cards and my friend whispers in my ear that he thinks I have his cards. I look and sweat him back his hand As5s. We start laughing really loud to each other. I call Button raises KK 3 bets I 4 bet Call Call. Turn is a 4s no waiting. UTG checks I fire button raises and KK doesn't know how to fold I 3 bet both call. My friend is literally on the ground laughing and I can't stop laughing myself at this point. I fire out river get paid off by both.

Luckily no jackpot hit or a lot of people would of been upset. Also curious does anyone actually say anything or just scoop the pot?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/53...ml#post5147461

Just to end--Why do you have (3) 2+2 Accounts with low post counts all started in 2008-9??

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Wait, read closer - this post from 3-23-2006 on FTR:
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So I'm at the local poker room here and UTG raises and im not paying attention and limp in with q10c's. My friend behind me folds right away so im commited for 2 bets although i mucked my hand...The dealer gave me my hand back anyways since I hadnt thrown it that far in the muck....The flop comes 2s, 4s, 7c....UTG bets as I am about to fold my friend whispers to me "Dude I think the dealer gave you my hand"...I look down and its the 3s,5s....I call and we both kinda just laugh....Turn comes As....We both just start laughing as the K high flush is raising me and the UTG donk is still calling with his K's....Ship it....I coulda gotten at least 6 bets out of the K high if we werent laughing so hard....Just wondering if anyone thinks that they could keep a straight face in this situation?
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1227826

Maybe I am just being too nitty???

Two years time passed between posting, maybe his memory just got bad. Although a hand the guy gets back from the dealer which was in the muck, you would think you would remember the two cards forever, right?

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Old 07-24-2012, 11:22 PM   #29
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:56 PM   #30
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Re: Carbon poker...and why I will never ever play there again.

WEC, that's some serious detective work. You do freelance work?

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