this is an absolute serious posting. full tilt went for a software update last night, and they decided to modify the cash games. it's my first time posting but i feel i need to type about the elephant in the room. im sick of this new update last night to the cash games. im sick of the sit n go structure so you can't multitable.pokerstars need to stop deciding what we want. were the customers. if the full tilt community came together and did not play on full tilt for 1 day, maybe pokerstars would revert back to the old full tilt?

thoughts?

Just go play on stars or 888 etc, they made there changes & will then act accordingly in response to the players on their site & profits as well. They are in charge of their own business & can decide their own policies.

i play on bodog a bit. pokerstars software sucks.

lol

if players posted on the native poker forums of their respective countries, this idea of boycotting full tilt can gain traction. we can all agree on a common thing, the management of pokerstars are ruining full tilt. lets come together and figure out how we can get it back

in before this happens on stars as well.

what I hate is their ****ing hypocracy and trying to claim they are doing this for the good of poker, if they really want to do something good for poker they would reduce their absurd rake, they pay guys like dnegs to come in and be like we should kill all the regs, regs bad for game bla bla bla, and somehow nvg tards agree with him. they argue poker is a skill game and then take away HU cash which is the most skillful form of poker. ****ing hypocrites

R.I.P FullTilt

the whole industry should hire a clown like you, so THEY WOULD GET TOLD, how things are ... ur the man of knowledge besides you don't have any single number or insight


seriously .... all guys like you should do a boycott, i guess that would really really bug FT

we could start at BF and the dwindling rec numbers, while the number of regs grew. the problem "less money in, more money out" lead to a shrinking market. smaller rooms closed, medium sized rooms had to get rid of the "money drain" (money getting cashed out too fast before it could be raked enough).

in other words: it's not important, how much money you raked, it's important how much money you brought in/taken out ... and because sites recognized that the lowest level of the money pyramid is getting to small and they "hey, sign some known pros and spent $$$ on high volume grinders" concept wasn't cool any more, they changed their business model.

there're plenty of techniques to stop bumhunting and make the recs feel comfy ... e.g. anonymous tables or tables w/o waiting list ... throw in some social gaming and promos, where you don't have to grind a high volume or a challenge, where you can change your avatar.

seriously ... what should i explain ... basically every poker room besides PS made such changes way before FT ... e.g. PP got rid of the high limit tables, changed the vip program and other stuff.

yeah, calling you a clown was stupid, but c'mon .... FT 2.0 started with the old concept (sign high profile pros, try to make it a nose bleed heaven again) and it just didn't work out, b/c the rec/reg ratio wasn't healthy.

FT needed a change. it might work, or not, but a "boycott thread" is hilarious ... not only b/c FT would like to have some of the regs on other sites, but b/c you don't need a thread to do it ... just take your business elsewhere

tl;dr version

plenty of recs ---> "who can we attract the regs?"
plenty of regs --> "who can we attract the recs?"

LOL

I would not trust you to lead the rebellion as I question your judgement concerning all things internet poker related after reading this bass ackwards assessment.

So what happened to cash tables...?

How dare they try something different! It's disgraceful!

OP seems silly.

I really don't think its a simple matter of "making the recs feel comfy", i understand that some aspects of HU poker can seem intimidating to a rec, but if the rec finds it intimidating, he will simply not play HU and play something else instead. all that removing HU tables is doing is stop the people (like myself) who enjoys HU cash no longer able to play on FT

also, i don't agree that anon tables makes the recs feel comfortable, if anything i'd be a little suspicious of something shady going on if i don't know or can't uniquely identify who i'm playing( think of the UB superuser scandal, would they have gotten caught if players didn't share HH with a unique player id??, what about the PLO bot ring thing, as well as collusion?)

i agree, maybe FT needed a change, but i don't believe removing game types is the way to go, if they didn't want recs bleeding at absurd rates they could lower their rake so that
a). regs don't need to game select as aggressively since the required edge to make a profit is lower
b). rec loses money slower and encourages more deposits

but we both know they are not going to do that and instead they removed the game type with the highest winrate/rake ratio.
i take ur point that a boycott thread is somewhat "immature".
while i think sites should be able to implement what they want, and no one is "entitled" to make a living playing poker, i am simply upset that they are pretending that they are doing this for the good of poker, when all they want is more rake.

The previous model wasn't working for Full Tilt or the weaker players.

What are they suppos to do, pander to the regs? **** that. The changes seem sensible in their intentions but will undoubtedly be tweaked along the way. I hope to give it a try when able to do so again.

i think this discussion should be happening in the other full tilt thread this one is not necessary. I assure you a quasi boycott is likely anyway,

simple basic logic/economics.

No matter how hard you plea etc people will not boycott the site if they believe they can make good money.

no matter how you spin it, people will stop playing on the site if they do not believe they can make good money.

recs dont like to wait around for games when regs leave so do recs.

some of these changes have merit others are hideous for profit potential. hence the traffic is dying fast.

efforts should be spent explaining why the changes are not good ones, instead of calling for people to stop playing on the site when they likely will do so anyway.

Aren't elephants supposed to be very big and very obvious? I couldn't decipher the point of your post. Sorry.

Perhaps he has an actual elephant in his room.

so bodog is better?

Lol at the OP idea. I can't understand how anyone can consider boycotting Full Tilt while not boycotting its sister companies, Pokerstars and potentially bwin.party (if Amaya & GVC buy it). A boycott of all the three would be a really radical self-restrictive decision; even I couldn't resist getting involved with Stars a bit because they offer some some exciting game formats that run consistently nowhere else (e.g. they're pretty much a ROW monopolist in Omaha/8 and especially mixed games).