Botters caught on Pokerstars - Page 51 - Internet Poker

blueherondud · 07-18-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

I know everyone hates these guys but the fact is they're extremely valuable customers to the site.

Existing <> valuable. Ask players in a live casino why they don't play online and the legions of short-stackers playing 'perfect' 20bb poker making games unbeatable for any decent bb/100, unless you want to play 20 tables, will be near the top of the list.

LirvA · 07-18-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazbolton

Stars are a major business - they don't want the dirty laundry being aired on this forum, but they have to accept that the community deserves better than we are getting.

I am 100% sure there are 50 people on this forum much more skilled than the current security team there. Why doesn't stars look for some help within these forums. It would be a great PR move to get some interested people to apply for a short term Job to assist them, (its not as if they cant afford to spend £60K to get 3 people in for a 3 month review)

this would be a win for us as players & a win for stars as the players would see that they are being serious great for PR & would help retain some of the players that they are losing.

anyway - that's my 0.2c

stars did just that with Josem. (PokerstarsMichaelJ)

He was well known for all the work he did on the forums in the UB scandal and stars hired him.

Got Nutz? · 07-18-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LirvA

stars did just that with Josem. (PokerstarsMichaelJ)

He was well known for all the work he did on the forums in the UB scandal and stars hired him.

Which seems to be a good move. But he can't seem to detect Bots and DoN colluders. What happened?

** Not meant to be a cheap shot at Josem. I like and respect him. I mean it more as a Shot @ Stars, Josem can not be expected to do everything.**

BurnleyMik · 07-18-2010, 01:14 PM

Jesus, how many times are stars going to fail it's customers in recent months? Part of the rake fee we pay is so we can play in safe, none-cheating games, yet time and time again Stars security fails and the vigilent players have to point out the obvious to them.

Come on Pokerstars, get a grip, you are supposedly the industry leader.

ranka · 07-18-2010, 01:22 PM

It's so so sososoososososo funny and good that PS haven't done anything against PTR but now PTR working against them. LOL it's not bad for games, it bad for also PokerStars.com reputation and industry.

First time I support PTR, if they do opt-in/opt-out or atleast don't show overall results to non-premium members then I think this site would be cool and awesome.

ranka · 07-18-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BurnleyMik

Jesus, how many times are stars going to fail it's customers in recent months? Part of the rake fee we pay is so we can play in safe, none-cheating games, yet time and time again Stars security fails and the vigilent players have to point out the obvious to them.

Come on Pokerstars, get a grip, you are supposedly the industry leader.

What was previous fails?

_Towelie_ · 07-18-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Nutz?

** Not meant to be a cheap shot at Josem. I like and respect him. I mean it more as a Shot @ Stars, Josem can not be expected to do everything.**

Yea i think it's important to not single out individual reps. Especially the ones who are so valuable to the community and just generally good people. The "LOL Jeff" stuff that was posted earlier is pretty unfortunate imo.

Although Stars on the whole deserves all the **** they've been receiving this past week.

Verstehen · 07-18-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ranka

What was previous fails?

- massive chinese collusion scandal in $52 and $104 double-or-nothing SNGs where the perpetrators won six figures and were undetected until 2p2 got involved

- years long collusion between furbean and fua at 5/10 LHE while both were SNE and playing every day in a game with an extremely small player pool, also outed by 2p2 and undetected by stars

- collusion between the stoxtrader, littlezen and kinetica accounts at HSNL which had been suggested for a long time but only confirmed by PTR and outside investigators; stars had originally investigated and declared there was nothing wrong.

Obviously depending on your position the change to shallow tables was a pretty big fail as well (it was in my view).

BurnleyMik · 07-18-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ranka

What was previous fails?

***EDIT** exactly as above.

LirvA · 07-18-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by _Towelie_

Yea i think it's important to not single out individual reps. Especially the ones who are so valuable to the community and just generally good people. The "LOL Jeff" stuff that was posted earlier is pretty unfortunate imo.

Although Stars on the whole deserves all the **** they've been receiving this past week.

I agree and it has to be a tough spot for someone like Josem to be in in situations like this. He's part of the community here, and was before he worked for stars, and I think people sometimes need to be aware to not direct their anger at him and the other reps as individuals, but pokerstars the company.

LirvA · 07-18-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Verstehen

Obviously depending on your position the change to shallow tables was a pretty big fail as well (it was in my view).

and the micro rake increase was definitely not well received.

BurnleyMik · 07-18-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LirvA

I agree and it has to be a tough spot for someone like Josem to be in in situations like this. He's part of the community here, and was before he worked for stars, and I think people sometimes need to be aware to not direct their anger at him and the other reps as individuals, but pokerstars the company.

Unfortunately for Josem he IS part of the team that has been failing to protect the customers and as such has to take part responsibility IMO. He is the 2+2 point of contact and as such he will definately have some anger aimed towards him.

cygenius · 07-18-2010, 01:44 PM

Any definite news or schedule regarding refunds?

VP$IP · 07-18-2010, 01:45 PM

@mods
Change thread title please.
Something like:
Player finds bots using PTR, that Pokerstars didn't :Confirmed

Title Suspected Botter on Pokerstars is woefully inadequate.

LirvA · 07-18-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BurnleyMik

Unfortunately for Josem he IS part of the team that has been failing to protect the customers and as such has to take part responsibility IMO. He is the 2+2 point of contact and as such he will definately have some anger aimed towards him.

I'm just saying that from his point of view it might seem like people are laying it on Josem, not PokerstarsMichaelJ. It's gotta be a tough spot to be in.