Botters caught on Pokerstars - Page 5 - Internet Poker

LMFAOhaha · 07-16-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gugel

the screen names of the people in question

I'm sure that if you really wanted the SN's of these player OP would have sent them to you.

@Gugel
Those are some sick numbers. Coincidence? Hardly, but who knows. I'm looking forward to Josem's response.

PokerStarsJeff · 07-16-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulzgold

Without being specific, can you enlighten us mega-rake feeders as to whether or not all hands/tables are monitored for irregularities that would tend to signify the presence of any sort of cheating? or is it up to fellow players to look for curious behavior (tbh it kinda feels that way sometimes).

Michael's not here right now, but I can say that the answer is the former.

We have separate complex systems in place to automatically look for collusion, and for bots. Each is comprised of far more powerful servers than you can buy in a typical business/end-user machine, and each is dedicated solely to sifting through mountains of data to seek out potential suspects in their respective realms of responsibilities.

Exactly what they do and what they look at, we're just not at liberty to say.

Regards,

Jeff
PokerStars Game Security, Senior Bot Specialist

ashiXIII · 07-16-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LMFAOhaha

I'm sure that if you really wanted the SN's of these player OP would have sent them to you.

@Gugel
Those are some sick numbers. Coincidence? Hardly, but who knows. I'm looking forward to Josem's response.

I asked; he wouldn't.

pontylad · 07-16-2010, 07:10 PM

may need title change
http://www.pokertableratings.com/blo...n-poker-stars/

**MicroBob** · 07-16-2010, 07:21 PM

wow at that article. just wow.

At the end of the article it was mentioned that they were first noticed at intellipoker in April. These guys have been reported before, right? (at least some of them). I honestly have to wonder how it was possible at all that they weren't caught.

ashiXIII · 07-16-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MicroBob

wow at that article. just wow.

At the end of the article it was mentioned that they were first noticed at intellipoker in April. These guys have been reported before, right? (at least some of them). I honestly have to wonder how it was possible at all that they weren't caught.

Because Stars has shown repeatedly that they're ****ing awful at detecting collusion and botting, and seem to rely solely on it being pointed out to them?

I'm about as big a Stars fanboy as they come, but all this **** over the past few months has me seriously considering an alternative site. It's insane that this crap goes on so often, for so long, with the worse compensation and reimbursement scheme imaginable.

CPGJ · 07-16-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PokerStarsJeff

Michael's not here right now, but I can say that the answer is the former.

We have separate complex systems in place to automatically look for collusion, and for bots. Each is comprised of far more powerful servers than you can buy in a typical business/end-user machine, and each is dedicated solely to sifting through mountains of data to seek out potential suspects in their respective realms of responsibilities.

Exactly what they do and what they look at, we're just not at liberty to say.

Regards,

Jeff
PokerStars Game Security, Senior Bot Specialist

Maybe you can get a refund.

ashiXIII · 07-16-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CPGJ

Maybe you can get a refund.

I lol'ed

Seriously, sell them as they're apparently useless. Just sift these boards and PTR as that's the only way you guys ever seem to catch anyone.

Verstehen · 07-16-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ashiXIII

Because Stars has shown repeatedly that they're ****ing awful at detecting collusion and botting, and seem to rely solely on it being pointed out to them?

I'm about as big a Stars fanboy as they come, but all this **** over the past few months has me seriously considering an alternative site. It's insane that this crap goes on so often, for so long, with the worse compensation and reimbursement scheme imaginable.

couldn't agree more, I have been a huge defender of Stars but this is really ridiculously bad/obvious and it looks like even a very superficial analysis reveals that these players are WAY too similar to each other.

LHE is practically dead as a game b/c botting was so easy and prevalent. While botting NL profitably is harder it's certainly not impossible and this suggests that it's already being tried somewhat successfully. One thing I really hate about the shallow tables is that the potential for botting and collusion seems much more acute.

I also find it really sad that playing 9/9 preflop beats these games, but that's another story.

Please change title of this to something like "Confirmed Botting Ring at Pokerstars SSNL cash games"

Rak · 07-16-2010, 07:59 PM

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Collectively, they have played at least 8,320,121 hands at the $.25/$.50, $.5/$1 and $1/$2 NL levels, generated $186,572 in rake, and made $57,839 in profit (not including VIP benefits).

Seriously stars? So your apparently very poweful servers that are "solely sifting through mountains of data to seek out potential suspects in their respective realms of responsibilities" aren't able to detect these bots who are playing almost identical in a unique way for 8.3 million hands?

mogwai316 · 07-16-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PokerStarsJeff

We have separate complex systems in place to automatically look for collusion, and for bots. Each is comprised of far more powerful servers than you can buy in a typical business/end-user machine, and each is dedicated solely to sifting through mountains of data to seek out potential suspects in their respective realms of responsibilities.

Exactly what they do and what they look at, we're just not at liberty to say.

Regards,

Jeff
PokerStars Game Security, Senior Bot Specialist

Pretty epic failure here, Jeff. Try having them look at the extremely simple stuff that PTR looked at instead of whatever they are currently looking at, because it's clearly not working. This is a huge hit to Stars' integrity. I've been a big fan of Stars for years now, but enough is enough, every month there seems to be some news like this coming out. If I didn't have a non-rakeback account on FTP I would be giving up my Supernova status and switching sites right now. I'll certainly be exploring other options for 2011 unless Stars does something to take responsibility and show that they are committed to improving things.

Smokey_The_Bear · 07-16-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ashiXIII

Because Stars has shown repeatedly that they're ****ing awful at detecting collusion and botting, and seem to rely solely on it being pointed out to them?

I'm about as big a Stars fanboy as they come, but all this **** over the past few months has me seriously considering an alternative site. It's insane that this crap goes on so often, for so long, with the worse compensation and reimbursement scheme imaginable.

Big +1 on this. What are those complex machines they're using for security looking for? This is just basic statistical analysis

sjp507 · 07-16-2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CPGJ

Maybe you can get a refund.

never laughed so hard in my life

if stars didnt hate me atm I would give you QUOTE OF THE YEAR AWARD

RubbaN · 07-16-2010, 08:06 PM

This is so sick, lol wtf omg...
What about the typ this word in chat box? I had it a few hours ago

yesright · 07-16-2010, 08:08 PM

Holy smoke, this makes PS look REALLY bad.............

They obviously didnt compare the stats of the various accounts.

Did they do anything? Hoping it's not an inside job like UB/AP.

Maybe instead of stopping PTR they should hire them as consultants.......

I dont think you will be seeing any more posts by people working for PS in this thread for a while.........