Crude logic profits over 8million hands, so lets help him/her get better at improving the play and help avoid getting caught at the same time?

People can either gather info and send it to stars to help stars, or they can post it so the maker can find it later and be helped more than stars is.

My last post in this thread, people either get it or they wont.

it very well could just be three friends on aim who found a way to grind rakeback. why does everyone think they are bots and not just 3 shortstackers all following the same chart? their volume is lol, not high at all. just SS FPP pros is all they are.

USSR lol. u living in 80's or something? Riga is capital of Latvia, Talinn is capital of Estonia and they both are in European Union. i bet that guy who runs those bots is from Russia.

I found Koldan on a waiting list. He's Moscow


edit: he's the first one I've seen with an avatar. All others haven't had avatars.

This.

At the very least these guys should not be allowed to cash out while they are under investigation. But i guarantee you that Stars will find a way to **** this up somehow. They probably dont want to stop the bots since they get so much rake out of them. If thats the case why not change the 20-50max. into bot tables. On those tables everybody can run bots and tweak them so that they would beat the other bots. They could even put a bot download on their web site. That way every new player can jump right into the action and cheer their bot on.

It's certainly a possibility.

But this thread has just descended into outright hysteria, now.

that works in theory but not in practice. All ten players play mathematically/statistically identical.


Unless those ten people are all just sick sick sick ****ing good at tilt control and not deviating from their strategy (how many poker players are like that?), then they're bots.

There is NO way in hell these people are friends or even real humans on the other end. If you observe the accounts named in this thread then you will see there is a lot more going on here than just grinding.

LirvA, I think there are a lot more than the 10 that have been spotted. Since you just recently caught those other 2 tonight, I'm sure there are more out there. I'll be sure to note any other names that use the identical playing patterns.

I'm just going by the PTR stats. PTR says ten so it's ten imo.

Don't do this. If the owner(s) of the accounts become aware of how much definitive proof we have, they'll have the chance to withdraw their funds before PS locks their account.

That's what I already did for a few days

https://www.yousendit.com/download/T...T001R00wTVE9PQ

(xerxes is not suspicious anymore )

Koldan just got stacked then reloaded then left.

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

H-Dunk (SB): $25.00
john05 (BB): $18.85
Bakabar (UTG): $10.00
Koldan (UTG+1): $10.50
fghjyu (MP1): $10.00
Alyuran (MP2): $10.00
xxxdonkeydik (CO): $28.25
maxicoco (BTN): $25.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75)
1 fold, Koldan raises to $10.50 all in, 3 folds, maxicoco calls $10.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($21.75) 2 6 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($21.75) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($21.75) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $21.75
Koldan shows T T (a pair of Tens)
maxicoco shows A A (a pair of Aces)
maxicoco wins $20.70
(Rake: $1.05)

I say most people who play poker sucks, creating a bot that could break even/win at the higher levels shouldn't be that hard if you put any effort into it. Most of the information you need is out there for anyone who cares to look for it. Creating the functions for most of the decisions can be done by simple probability functions that most people who have studied statistics at a higher level should be able to create.

there would have been a few misclicks here and there and afaik the data suggests that in certain circumstances, that isn't the case over a huge sample.