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Old 06-09-2012, 03:34 PM   #1
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Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

Ongame with all its shortcomings for multitabling SNG reg and then you get this:

name: sexysandy69_

38k games in 6 months

8691 games in March

sharkscope says it only plays:

Turbo 10 and 20 USD 10 man and 10 USD 30 man in any significant number

Now just do simple math for month of March:
say it plays EVERY DAY, which is more or less true, playing 280 games a day
for 12 hours
that still means it has to play 23 games per hour

If you know anything about Ongame, you know how stressfull and close to impossible this is for human to pull off.
I know of no human player on Ongame who pulled anything like that off for a month let alone 6 months.

I have no real incentive to send mail to Ongame security department because I honestly am not sure if they actually do anything about reports send or worst is it something that can actually hurt you as a semi reg playing there.
But I am posting this here for others to see and decide what to do with it.

By no means is sexysandy69_ a lone example. I have other names going all the way up to 200 USD which I find highly suspect, but this one is simply too obvious for me to pass on.

BTW using new nick due to 2p2 shenaningans with passwords, but have been here for quite a while.

Last edited by ignominious; 06-09-2012 at 03:37 PM. Reason: MODS please dont put this into big Ongame thread, its a real problem worth addresssing separately
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Old 06-09-2012, 03:50 PM   #2
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Re: Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

2+2 shenanigans
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:01 PM   #3
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Re: Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

Convincing proof Sherlock.

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I think there might be someone cheating.
I saw a graph of the games they played.
I believe everything I see on the internet.
I don't think anyone can play that many games in an hour.
Oh my God, they must be cheaters.
I am not going to tell the site, because I don't care.
Let me out this player.
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:23 PM   #4
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Re: Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

^^ haha got me laughing pretty good
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:44 PM   #5
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Re: Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

sounds like the guy that played the $1 dons on pokerstars at a retarded high volume
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:22 PM   #6
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Convincing proof Sherlock.

Cliffs

I think there might be someone cheating.
I saw a graph of the games they played.
I believe everything I see on the internet.
I don't think anyone can play that many games in an hour.
Oh my God, they must be cheaters.
I am not going to tell the site, because I don't care.
Let me out this player.

bla bla bla, Anyhow

At least day old Betsafe race from 4th of June on: 20.sexysandy69_ 6,483.60 points

June, Shark says, from June 1st onwards

2092 games
1.7 10 USD games per 1 20 in the past, pretty sure its more now.
avg point per game 6.66

so 13932 points times 5 divided by 10 is 6966 points

ballpark wouldnt you say


Have been playing on Ongame as 20 to 100 USD reg, tourneys up to 200 and low to mid cash for about 4 years via different skins.
Now I play as semi reg.
Have made numerous collusion, chip dumping and other shenaningans reports and was told on several occassions colluders have either been warned or dealt with. I have yet to see a single dime of compensation.
While those people while banned on one skin simply resurfaced on another and keep colluding, so forgive me if I have 0 trust in Ongame security department.

Anyhow it is obvious you have no idea what a crazy place Ongame is lately so I see no point in taking this any further.

GL inyour games.

Couple more things to add:
to play this many you basically have to play every single game at the time at your level.
to play more then 10 turbo games at the time on Ongame and never time out or even use 30 sec time bank is unheard of.
turbo games run for about 25 minutes on avg at this level assuming on limited data I have, since I do not play 10ers.
games take anywhere from couple of minutes to probably about 5 minutes on avg all the way up to 10 minutes plus to load during the most off peak hours it slash he plays.
I know of no reg who plays more then 15 turbo SNG games at the time on Ongame and does not play DONs as well.
Playing so many 12 hours a day, every day in one month is border line impossible, it is equivalent of playing 30 plus turbos on poker stars, 12h a day every day.
I know this because I play around 10 turbo games on Ongame and used to play 20 on Stars, somewhat less now.

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Old 06-09-2012, 07:03 PM   #7
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Re: Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

op, have you ever wanted something really badly? like really, really, really badly? have you ever been under pressure to do something, perhaps for the sake of survival?
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:07 PM   #8
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not that i'm defending whoever this person is or have an opinion on anything that matters...but...

you seem to be underestimating the level of degeneracy that some regs have attained
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:05 PM   #9
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op, have you ever wanted something really badly? like really, really, really badly? have you ever been under pressure to do something, perhaps for the sake of survival?
This bot slash possibly player but definitely somehow bot assisted is doing upwards of 6k USD a month after RB. Depending on the deal it could be way more.
Not to mention is in pretty much every game people playing 10 to 20 USD FT games on Ongame play, which in itself is questionable ethics and something that should be looked into by Ongame. Assuming they dont know allready what is going on and choose not to do anything about it, or worst.

And there are games like DONs on Ongame which trully desparate person would play.
True rake whore would add every single limit FT game by now.
Good player would jump on 5 max wagon or HU, etc.

But its really the amount of games which by Ongame standards is huge and ability to never time out which stand out most.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:32 AM   #10
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Op you could be right, but need actual legit proof, which you have not provided.
I have seen some rake pros that put in crazy volume. But 1 table tournies are perfect for script push bots. So he is probably right. If bots were beating mid to high stakes how hard would it be for a bot to beat donk low buy in sng's.

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Old 06-10-2012, 04:34 AM   #11
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Re: Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

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Ongame with all its shortcomings for multitabling SNG reg and then you get this:

name: sexysandy69_

38k games in 6 months

8691 games in March

sharkscope says it only plays:

Turbo 10 and 20 USD 10 man and 10 USD 30 man in any significant number

Now just do simple math for month of March:
say it plays EVERY DAY, which is more or less true, playing 280 games a day
for 12 hours
that still means it has to play 23 games per hour

If you know anything about Ongame, you know how stressfull and close to impossible this is for human to pull off.
I know of no human player on Ongame who pulled anything like that off for a month let alone 6 months.

I have no real incentive to send mail to Ongame security department because I honestly am not sure if they actually do anything about reports send or worst is it something that can actually hurt you as a semi reg playing there.
But I am posting this here for others to see and decide what to do with it.

By no means is sexysandy69_ a lone example. I have other names going all the way up to 200 USD which I find highly suspect, but this one is simply too obvious for me to pass on.

BTW using new nick due to 2p2 shenaningans with passwords, but have been here for quite a while.
I agree with you OP. This is a bot.

Deal with it, there are thousands more out there at ALL sites and there's nothing we or the pokersites can do about it.

They are coming...

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Old 06-10-2012, 11:06 AM   #12
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Re: Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

Honestly I don't know why you guys get upset when you find a bot. I get excited because once you know it's a bot it's incredibly easy to exploit. Keep it to yourself and crush the bot.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:45 AM   #13
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Re: Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

I just posted in the ongame regs thread saying that I think I spotted 2 or 3 bots at the $3.30 Sngs. And I believe I'll find more in the next days. These guys that I marked as bots are playing around 300 games per day, which, as OP said, is extremely hard to do on Ongame with it's fast structure, limited time bank and crappy software for multitabling.

These guys are all -ROI players (around -5 to -10% ROI) but I'm sure they're making a decent income in rakeback. Honestly, I couldn't care less about these guys as it's +EV for me to have a -ROI player at the table, whether it's a bot or a piss-bottle-armed-sleepless human reg. But I just wanted to put my 2 cents here...
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:20 PM   #14
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Re: Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

keeping the bots alive because they can be exploited is wrong thinking. the money they make is taken from someone. this someone is you.

1) they grab money from players you are entitled to win
2) you pay higher rake (that's where their plus post rakeback comes from)
3) they tend to get better over time so stop them now
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:48 PM   #15
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Re: Blatantly obvious Ongame bot at low stake SNGs

And Terminator pic was right on the money IMO, because:

they never tire
they never tilt
and they will keep hunting you till the day you die,
getting better at it by the day
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