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Betfair Anonymous Proxy in HU Limit
Considering HU limit is a solved game. ( For anyone who isn't aware you can use a bot or computer program to play Heads LIMIT poker much the same way a computer can play chess and it is impossible /extremely hard to beat). All other forms of no limit poker are too complicated especially Heads up No LIMIT, as far as I know, and certainly at high stakes.
Anyway, Considering this, is it good idea for Betfair to allow players to play from an anonymous proxy ? (This is where one computer connects to another computer (betfair) via another computer which doesn't disclose the location of the first computer. A 'semi legitimate' reason would be if you are in a country that prohibits internet poker or betfair does not accept customers from. Either way Should betfair allow you to connect via this method ? It would be even more suspect on 6 max table. I'm sure other sites allow it too but it just seems like you can see it on betfair. http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l...oxybetfair.jpg |
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So you are saying a bot heads up hold'em is like playing a bot in chess?
How so? Why not just play like the bot and be millionair overnight. |
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You seem to be assuming that the listed location is based on IP rather than what you put in to the details of your account. Certainly your screenshot seems to agree with this, but I've otherwise always assumed the opposite. You should email Betfair to find out. In any case, it's up to Betfair to make sure that people are who they say they are regardless of whether they are using a proxy or not.
Also, please provide a reference for HU limit being "solved". |
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I can't see the problem here.
So what if the player is connecting via an anonymous proxy? He'll still need to jump through all the verification hoops before he can cash out. And what's so special about a proxy from the point of view of AI? What would someone running a bot gain from having his true IP address hidden? It's not as if the sites can have people who the detect using bots prosecuted. |
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Not sure what difference the anonymous proxy would make tbh. |
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Bryce Paradis is regarded as one of the best HU limit players ever and I know that Bryce helped improve the bot, and 2nd time around they got true experts to play it. (As opposed to TV stars), and I think they broke even, I haven't read the link below yet. http://www.stoxpoker.com/mvm/man_vs_machine_media.html I don't play limit at all, I just saw this browsing the lobby. And I remember a while back there was potential problems with bots at the very highest stakes. I'm not implicating anyone in cheating and I have the highest regard for Bryce I'm just referencing the existence on HU limit bots. |
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I'm sure the player was legit and the use of a proxy was for good reason but I though I'd point it out and keep the sites on there toes. |
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codingthewheel.com ended up being primarily a limit bot as well.
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Bots will get there anyway we wont. |
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The main issue I have is that you can sit so easily using a proxy, which seems to be the easiest way to multi account at the same table, if you use 2 internet connections at least you would see they are in the same city / country. Would you be happy to play at a table where the other 5 players were all on proxies ? I'm sure the player was legit and the use of a proxy was for good reason but I though I'd point it out and keep the sites on there toes. |
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Look no serious cheaters are as easily detected. Its easy to set up rooms full of colluders where everyone comes from different city. All you need is servers running in different countries which takes a day to set up.
I would assume with all the stolen indentities setting up account is just as easy. What you stumble upon is players who cant get there any other way and possibly some lonely not so smart colluder who is gonna get cought anyway. Sites on the other hand catch colluders by analyzing the games and judging by job offers have quite a lot of people working on this. EDIT just my take on it not trying to troll or discourage you to report if you think something fishy is going on, far from it actually. |
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someone should buy-in for minimum, sit in and decline to post his BB, sit out. then sit in again and repeat this process couple times to see how that player would react. i believe there was thread where someone cought bot with this method.
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not a bot, he has played on fair for ages and sometimes talks in chat.
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Damn it people!
1) Nobody has accused whoever that is of being a bot 2) Nobody has shown that the location information is based on IP rather than what the user enters. Has nobody played on Betfair while out of their home country? 3) If it is based on IP, it just means the person is using a known proxy. Technically any computer could act as a proxy and Betfair would never know. 4) Betfair have to independently verify the identity of the account holder, the IP can't be trusted as above. 5) A bot being able to beat a subset of people doesn't mean a game is solved. 6) As I understand it, Bots are indeed a worry in HU limit 7) If Betfair do actually identify location by IP and have recognised the IP as an anonymous proxy I see no reason why they'd allow it other than that they just haven't considered not allowing it. There could be some legitimate reasons, such as fooling an ISP with draconian rules. |
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It is a known reg connecting to the server by other means. His country was blacklisted by Fair and this is how he is able to continue playing.
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Also if your running a bot for High stakes you will probably sit and control it, typing in chat etc., I don't think leaving a computer to gamble 10's of thousands unatended while you go to the pub would be a good idea. |
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ok it might be possible that a German could recount a funny joke and then level the table, but what are the chances? |
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If it was based on the originator's IP address it would have to be a Irish one unless the person in question attached via a private network of some kind - otherwise the server would never be able to respond to the correct computer. |
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(and do something about your german sense of humour) |
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The sites will have a list of addresses of known proxy servers which they use to prevent people appearing to come from somewhere they do not. These lists are used by various organisations to stop people misrepresenting themselves. Some forum sites, for example, will not allow people to register via a proxy server. Quote:
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