I believe disappointment with MGS (so far) is a understatement. MGS went to bed with a filthy whore (Tusk) and let innocent and unwitting players suffer from their bad bad choice of partner. I feel raped by Tusk and MGS had the rapist hidden from players behind thick velvet curtains and has only been watching while players were soiled by their concealed partner.

Why hasn't the official 2+2 boycott Microgaming thread been created yet?

I created it weeks ago and was flamed.

Apparently no one who didn't have money in a Tusk skin thinks MGS did anything wrong, and many of them think that we are all idiots for not anticipating that all of our money would disappear one day. I can't even tell you how many times I've heard from players on other MGS skins "well I'm on (fill in the blank - Eurolinx, Doyle's, etc., etc.) and they are big skins so my money is safe".

The lack of solidarity of players on this issue is sickening to me.

LOl at solidarity, ppl are also playing at AP again

Exactly. No one cares until it happens to them.

thanks very much mightyzep, that example form was a big help

i have a question though, if part of your money was held in rakeback, and u didnt claim it and have no pictorial evidence of it, should this be yours aswell as your balance if player funds are held in trust. Therfore should i write the full amount of balance+rakeback in the 'value of security' section? or the 'total amount of claim' section, and if so, where should i give the reason for this amount now being different from the picture of my player balance?

thanks

Another question about the form, what's my "Position with or relationship to creditor"?

i wrote down "I am the creditor" since I am the creditor

This is so ****ing depressing.

I just printed the form and faxed it to them. Hope that is good enough.

I think it's sickening as well. Very few people at 2plus2 seem to care if they are not directly involved. What happened to all the people saying this would be fine and that MGS has never screwed players over? Why arn't any big guys or pros in the industry willing to help us out? Most likely because of the fact that people still stand to make money off of MGS. The poker radio shows to my knowledge have stoped covering this as they would rather sweep it under the rug and make it seem like online poker is 100% safe as always.

what did MGS do wrong?

As those of you who have followed this thread know, I wrote a lengthy letter to ICG and Kahnawake a couple weeks ago about this mess. Kahnawake's response was underwhelming; I ended up calling ICG when I never got a response. I spoke to a woman there named Janet who gave me her personal email address. I sent the letter to her and she said she forwarded it to the appropriate person. That was a week ago; still no response.

I just sent another letter to Microgaming; we'll see if that does anything, but I doubt it.

But I think a letter writing campaign can be effective. MG and the regulators are useless, but I think there's a better target: the other skins. A massive email blitz to Eurolinx, Doyle's Room, Unibet, Poker Rewards, 32red, etc. could be very useful.

Something like the following:

Dear Sir/Madam:

I am writing to you in regards to the situation involving the liquidation of Tusk, a provider of 28 skins on the Microgaming network. Many of us are extremely disappointed with the way that Microgaming has handled the situation. While I recognize that you are in no way involved in this disaster, nor in any way responsible for Microgaming's behavior, I implore you to use whatever influence you have with Microgaming to convince them to improve their responsiveness to player concerns. At the very least, Microgaming should appoint an individual to post in the massive 2+2 thread on this topic (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=141341) to address players' concerns and provide more information.

Traffic on the Microgaming network has taken a serious hit since February 27th. Furthermore, many players have become increasingly leery of playing on any skin on the Microgaming network due to the failure of the Tusk skins and Microgaming's lackluster response. As the saying goes, one rotten apple ruins the whole bunch. The Tusk situation has unfortunately tarred all rooms on the Microgaming network as potentially unsafe for play. This affects your bottom line. It is both in your own self-interest, and the right thing to do, to contact Microgaming and explain to them how their poor response to the Tusk insolvency is harming players and your own business. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

xxxx


Send this to any skin you play on, or for that matter, all of them.

The fact that they run the operation? They take a percentage of the rake and tell their casinos what they can and can't do. MGS runs them. The people who say MGS simply runs the software (essentially they are technical support) are either not familiar with MGS or liars.

Not too mention numerous sources have stated that MGS has claimed repeatedly they would cover balances if something went wrong.

Done

If you go to transaction history in the bank on the site you should see that withdrawl as pending take a pic of that.

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Thanks alot for that info :P


Ok now i've got a question,
do you have to send the form in via normal mail or can you just email it to them?

I call BS. Show me any credible source where MGS promised Tusk customers that their balances would be protected.

It is apparently true that Microgaming helped out with a couple of customer failures in the distant past. But they were conspicuously absent during the most recent previous failure of Betcorp (Betholdem and 123Poker) in 2006.

Microgaming prominently displays about 40 network poker rooms on their web site. I believe it's their entire network plus independent Ladbrokes. Everyone except Tusk and the 28 subskins. They were never listed as part of the Microgaming family. That's not exactly an indication of support.

Microgaming is very much at fault here. They have done a poor job of choosing some of their network partners. They have allowed bad practices and failed to properly supervise network members. They tolerated unfair rakeback competition from some of the Tusk skins for far too long. This weakened their honest poker room customers and sucked far more players and money into the Tusk mess than would have otherwise been involved.

Microgaming has been very negligent in allowing this situation. But they didn't steal or lose your money and they didn't make you any promises that your money would be safe.

I don't understand why more of the anger has not been directed at the people who actually got you into this mess.

28 poker rooms signed up with an operator with no transparency in its cashier operations and financial dealings. Then they turned around and resold this dubious service to the public as if they were handling the money themselves. No due diligence and no disclosure to their customers. Very negligent and very unprofessional.

Certain very prominent rakeback affiliates promoted these rooms to the public as the best and primary options on the Microgaming network. Some of them seem to have been much more in bed with the rooms they promoted than they disclosed to their trusting customers.

Special thanks for all you rakeback affiliates who promoted the Tusk rooms. We all appreciate your careful research and diligent efforts to bring the best possible products to the attention of the poker public.

Send an email do what theMightyZep says to the file hes posted i got sent that to all the info you need is in the last 5 pages of this post just read them

So you are saying that everyone with no financial interest in the matter thinks that you are wrong to blame MGS? What conclusion would a reasonable person draw from that?

I'm just reflecting your own statement back at you so you can appreciate what you are saying. I happen to think MGS deserves a significant share of the blame here. I really hope they do more to ease the situation and provide as much financial relief as possible. But using words like "sickening" because people disagree with you is ...

Let's be honest here. You are asking players that didn't have their money stolen to go out and boycott the innocent rooms that didn't steal their money .

Suppose you were very powerful and your call for a boycott actually succeeded in a major way like you hope it will. What will you say to the next set of victims when your boycott drives more poker rooms into liquidation? I ask because you are like a guy pounding on a Dutch dike with his fists. It's only harmless because it's hopeless.

Numerous sources have been posted all across this thread regarding MGS and bailing people out. Including more than one pokercast and more than one skin owner. Of course it seems it was all off record. But I find it hard to believe that both supporters of MGS and their detractors have stated this about MGS....

MGS referred several of the skins to tusk when approched to buy a room. MGS is the one who is suppose to oversee TUSK. Unfortunately I can;t disclose my sources but MGS is owed significant money from TUSK (do you think the players will see a dime of that?). They are in a much better spot to go after tusk than any skin. Also the skins do not have very much power at all. The reason MGS skins have always had poor customer support is due to the fact that MGS has more power in freezing accounts than any skin (without their permission you can't reinstate someone's frozen account). They run the show including much of the support staff. Many skins have no one working for them.

You seem to feel that skins have more power than they really do. MGS does run the show. It was MGS who was responsible for insuring TUSK was behaving themselves.

QFT.

BTW I do agree that the skins are partly to blame for sure. But I know for a fact that at least some skins have been doing things to ensure I'll be getting some of my money back. I havn't heard anything that MGS has done.

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