This seems reminiscent of the Futurebet fiasco at Ongame. Futurebet sold sub-licences to skins on Ongame much like Tusk apparently does/did at MG. Ongame shut off the Futurebet sites but didn't feel any obligation to pay the Pokes/Bayou/Caranaval (etc. etc.) players who were stiffed out of millions. Let's hope Microgaming takes a different view.

wow that would suck

i will sue you ya dirty cat

The group's eCogra seal was pulled, not their licenses. eCogra is an independent, voluntary certification organization.

The list of skins is at PokerScout. The My Poker Profit (Tusk) skins are still on that list. That leaves about 45 operating skins. As someone previously stated, the ones still operating are most of the largest ones. My Poker Profit was the only group offering white-label skins on the Microgaming network.

I don't think this makes any difference, as I don't believe any withdrawals will be processed at this time.

See the link above, or the press release, for the affected sites.

Someone with a lot of knowledge of/respect in the industry (and a better memory than me) posted on another forum that Microgaming has had licensees go under and covered players' balances twice before (they've been around since creating the first online casino in 1994). That's one of the reasons they have my respect, and I doubt they'll do anything here that would change that.

"Someone with a lot of knowledge of/respect in the industry (and a better memory than me) posted on another forum that Microgaming has had licensees go under and covered players' balances twice before (they've been around since creating the first online casino in 1994)."

link?

how come the press release isnt up on the microgaming site. seriously, why don't we have any more info.

I'd remembered it as a forum post, but it was actually a news item by the same person:

On two occasions in the past, and without having any legal obligation to do so, Microgaming has set up Players' Trust arrangements to ensure that any players left unpaid by failed licensees are protected. It is not yet known if this precaution will again be taken in the case of Tusk.

rakereductions.com sent me a private message on their site and they seem pretty confident that MGS will come in and bail our accounts out if the S**T hits the fan.

Battlefield Poker: Should we reverse withdraw our withdrawal requests or keep it in process or it doesn't matter because Tusk handles all the bank accounts anyways? (my guess is that it doesn't matter)

Did anyone pursue legal options? I would get a lawyer and sue if this happened to me.

Yeah that would suck as a big part of the reason why I played at Battlefield is because they are affiliated with Microgaming which has been around since 1994. If Battlefield or any of the other skins were just on their own without any ties to Microgaming, I would have not deposited and played there.

this, and can we get a timeline of how and when things are going to be happening?

WOW! Good luck, hope it all gets sorted out for you soon.

Sue who? Its a big awful mess with Future Bet. People in charge in Vancouver but licens in shady countrys. No money in the company...
I am a member of the pokespoker google group and nothing has happened. Beware you people having $$$ at any of these sites, take screen shots of cashier and try to get your money NOW. I hope you all get you $, we at Pokes /FB didnt.

Hi,

No I'm not from Stan James. I am James from ************** ;->

I think very few rooms on the Microgaming network will be affected by this, you already know the brands that are in trouble. As the Purple Lounge guy was saying, there was no appreciable drop on the network because of this, and all of the Microgaming operators that I know are sizable and stable companies.


Regards

James

You're not getting it James - if 2+2ers lose their rolls because Microgaming pulls the plug on one of their licensees, the entire Microgaming network's reputation is going to be shot...the 'brand' in trouble here is Microgaming itself and all of its licensees.

update: reverse withdrawls no longer avail for me. what does this mean?

im guessing i wont be getting the $640 rakeback iv earned this month, even if i do get the $1k solid money i have in there :-\
i clicked redeem, and it said: an error has occured, plz contact support

Frustration.....

This is the only word that comes to mind for us. We are still in the dark.

We try to talk to Tusk Employee's "We're under a gag order cannot talk"
We try to talk to Tusk Management "Lawyer's advise us we cannot talk about anything"
We try to call MGS "We cannot comment"

We don't even know what is going on. Noone is talking to us or any of the rooms that Tusk used to handle.

If I do get any information, this will be the first place we post.

Battlefield Poker

battlefield,

can you talk about how the money system works, what you expect to happen, timelines, predictions, etc.

For example:

1) If our money is in our battlefield account, who has this money?
2) If our money is pending withdrawl, does this change anything?

Battlefield runs the software, others sort the money microgaming pays everyone. Thats what it looks like to me. I do hope you keep us updated i have 80% of my br on there. Its a good site to play at i like it but with this kind of * what is the point. Why cant you run your own skin.

What i dont get is there are 4000 people playing there now (low number verses normal) why cant i play? Just cause i signed up through a rakeback person? Its bs were not cheaters and my money is stuck there. Its not on.

Hi all,

As has been stated by other poker rooms embroiled in this mess we are in the dark...still...We were completely blindsided by this, literally, I went to bed one night blissfully unaware this was happening and awoke to this thread the next day. I have contacted the owner of Tusk and people high up at Microgaming and they have all refused to comment.

I don't blame Microgaming for this at all, but i hope they understand it is very important to make some decisions and get things moving quickly, for all involved (players, affiliates and owners of the poker rooms).

At the moment Microgaming and Tusk wont even comment - i guess they are all trying to protect themselves from a legal perspective for any future moves them may make. meanwhile our whole business appears to be disintegrating before our eyes at the same time that we, our affiliates and players are left in the dark.

We moved forward with Tusk in good faith and in the past we've been assured that player balances are indeed safe and that Tusk is in great financial shape (about 2 months ago they confirmed this).

At the moment it looks like many people's futures hang in the balance, we are all, unfortunately, left at the whim of Microgaming.

As soon as we have more news it will be posted. It may be a long shot but if anyone from Microgaming or Tusk could post some info here it would be great.

Arctic Poker

This is my take on this. Microgaming is at the top of the network. The largest of all the companies. They then licensed Tusk which became a network within
the Microgaming network. Tusk offered skins to new owners for a price or offered a service to existing skin owners. In both cases they handled everything for the owners such as player support services, all financial functions relating to deposits and withdrawls and other related services. The owners virtually did very little but receive a return on their investment.

The owners (ie: Battlefield etc..), Microgaming, and their players have now been screwed by Tusk. Tusk is behind all of this thru no fault of the owners. However, in my opinion the buck must stop at Microgaming as they are at the top of this debacle. They have reaped the rewards of licensing their product to Tusk over many years and now they must deal with this difficult circumstance with professionalism and integrity. If they have to take some lumps......so be it. They gladly let Tusk and the owners raise their banner for years so now they need to clean this mess up. Hopefully they have security features in place to protect the owners and players operating under Tusk. If not then they have, in my opinion, been negligent. It is Microgamings responsibility to do all they can to get the owners operating again and the players compensated(including me).

I am shocked at what's happening. I am a skin owner with Poker Dream network and they have shut me and 55 or so other skins out of our administration with a lot of money being owed to players and operators. We have received no response from the owner John Dutchak and it's a real mess.
Many, many withdrawals were pending at the network for over a month and when we felt the impending doom we all made more hasty withdrawals .. all for not!
The site is completely down now .. the sign says for maintenance, but it's doubtful that we will see them again.
For those unfamiliar it was http://www.pokerdream.com.
Not a large site, but with so many skins it was obviously an income source for someone.
They were also the source of T6's first software. I feel there is a connection there. T6 has boasted of thousands of new players coming from other networks - I hope we aren't all being blindsided by something much bigger and more destructive than any of us can imagine. The online poker world doesn't need any more of this.
Thanks for listening.

Let's keep this on topic. Please start another thread if you want to discuss a different network.