Banned from iPoker because I'm a "winner" - Internet Poker

So I can't access my account and get a weird message about "security issues" so I contact my helpful rb people.

And my account is locked because I am a threat to the recreational player pool due to winning.

I havent been on the site for long and have been learning PLO playing 20plo, first month was a small loser, 2nd month b/e 3rd month (this month) winning and on a heater over a small sample, literally about 4k hands!

Anyway I have to cashout and move.

So moral of the story I guess is don't play on winner if you are a winner!

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10-25-2012 , 03:43 AM

Gunth0807

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Account names? Emails?

Disgusting if true, but you really give us no proof that this is the case.

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10-25-2012 , 04:23 AM

Craggoo

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The practice of banning winners is nothing new to primarily Euro facing networks

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10-25-2012 , 06:04 AM

ramone.castillon

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your story is strange ... and sorry but it's difficult to trust it ....
do you have any proof ?

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10-25-2012 , 06:06 AM

Bobo Fett

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How quickly so many forget - different iPoker skins have been doing this for years.

Here's one of many threads:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...layers-661606/

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10-25-2012 , 06:23 AM

JimmyRare

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As Bobo says, this has been going on a really long time.
I was once an affiliate and I always got emails about players not allowed to continue because they we're winners.

I believe I have posted screenshots of these emails somewhere in this forum as well.

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10-25-2012 , 06:29 AM

Gunth0807

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How do these sites get customers? It's not gambling nor is it a skill game if your not allowed to win, so what is it? Is it downright theft? There's gotta be some kind of laws against businesses like these. This would not slide in the U.S.

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10-25-2012 , 06:49 AM

Wilco666

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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

He will be allowed to cashout his balance, so it's not theft. The site can refuse to do business with any customer for pretty much any reason they like, and I guess that would be allowed in the US, as well.

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10-25-2012 , 06:58 AM

That Foreign Guy

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It wouldn't slide in the US because nobody is allowed to play poker there.

They're a business, they have the right not to do business with people that aren't profitable for them. As long as they are not discriminating against protected groups (gender, race, etc) they are legal.

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10-25-2012 , 07:07 AM

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Gunth0807

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Show me one live casino in the U.S. that bans winning poker players. It would not slide, which is why it's not an issue. It is one of either 2 types of business, gambling or hosting a skill game. Both those scenarios there ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WINNERS. Absolute joke to allow those businesses to operate otherwise (while false advertising) and it's disgusting that there are people who think that kind of business practice is acceptable.

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10-25-2012 , 07:12 AM

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MMD

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888 do this.

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10-25-2012 , 07:37 AM

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Hood

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Originally Posted by MMD

888 do this.

Source? First I've heard of this. I know many large net-winners on 888 and i've never heard them closing anyone's account.

Some iPoker skins have been doing this for a while, and with the advent of ipoker2 i can only see the practice increasing among skins looking to get into the top tier.

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10-25-2012 , 08:11 AM

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MMD

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=8828

Further proof in the posts after it.

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10-25-2012 , 08:27 AM

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SanchoHH

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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

Show me one live casino in the U.S. that bans winning poker players. It would not slide, which is why it's not an issue.

Why would it be impossible to ban winning poker players when it it easily possible to ban winning blackjack players?

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10-25-2012 , 08:28 AM

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DePokerGod

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Sickening.

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10-25-2012 , 08:43 AM

#16

POW

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ez game hey pokerstars?

Mb we should start opening pokersites, plenty of fish there

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10-25-2012 , 09:02 AM

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redcar

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As far as i-poker are concerned deposits - withdrawals = money available for rake
They want to maximise this, so reducing winning (withdrawing) players is one way to do this

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10-25-2012 , 09:11 AM

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Gunth0807

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Originally Posted by SanchoHH

Why would it be impossible to ban winning poker players when it it easily possible to ban winning blackjack players?

It is not common practice for casinos to just ban blackjack players for winning. There have been some exceptions because of strong suspicions and/or proof of cheating.

How can you even compare poker, a game of skil,l where the object is to "win" against the other players, to blackjack, a game played against the house where odd's are always in favor of the casino?

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10-25-2012 , 09:17 AM

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All Hail Circe

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Pretty lame and over such a small sample too.

I mean like you said OP, first month you lost a little, second b/e and now you show some signs of victory and they block you.

Whatever, move on. Its a pain and a hassle but take your winning ways elsewhere. There are other sites that would be happy to have you as a customer, win, lose or draw.

IPoker - Just another to add to the list of foolishness.

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10-25-2012 , 09:21 AM

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SanchoHH

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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

I am not comparing the games at all.

However, US casinos are banning card counters, right? And they are barring them without having to give a reason. They simply refuse to take their business, which is within their rights. Why wouldn't they be able to do that with winning poker players as well (if they wanted to)?

I am not endorsing that behaviour at all, just saying that the theory "This wouldn't be possible in the US" is simply wrong.

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10-25-2012 , 09:38 AM

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Herr Flick

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Originally Posted by Gunth0807

It is not common practice for casinos to just ban blackjack players for winning. There have been some exceptions because of strong suspicions and/or proof of cheating.

So card counting is cheating?

Then stuff like calculating pot-odds and assigning opening ranges in poker can just be classified as cheating too. Surely if a poker player is a winning one there must be strong suspicions that he is using such tricks and should be banned, right?

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10-25-2012 , 09:50 AM

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Gunth0807

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Originally Posted by SanchoHH

Well in some juristictions such as Atlantic City it is actually illegal to ban card counters. In juristictions that it is legal to ban card counters they don't make it common practice to ban all players who win. And banning someone under suspicion of card counting isn't exactly banning someone for no reason is it. Card counting is against the rules in some casinos. The casino isn't advertising "hey come play here and test your card counting skills against the house" then banning them after they show they can. The scenaro is very different then a poker room advertising test your poker skills against other players then banning players who win.

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10-25-2012 , 09:52 AM

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Gunth0807

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Originally Posted by Herr Flick

No, calculating pot-odds is part of the game. There are however rules against external devices doing this for you in card rooms, but i suspect if there was a way to enforce this rule online, that would be the case online as well.

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10-25-2012 , 10:16 AM

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MI5 Mark

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Don't have an email from them direct I just got my rb people to sort it out, but basically said you're a winning player and a threat to the recreational players (which I am one myself).

But yeah just going to move sites not big deal just weird, I mean winner or loser you still pay the same rake!

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10-25-2012 , 10:18 AM

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lennois

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@gunth0807

This is the same at sportsbooks. They ban you if you win. I believe a business doesn't have to accept your business if they don't wish to, as long as they aren't discriminating based on race, gender, age etc.

Not saying that I agree with it

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