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04-21-2014 , 09:24 AM
If you buy in once you get 1x chips, if you buy in twice you get 2x (etc)
04-21-2014 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sciolist
If you buy in once you get 1x chips, if you buy in twice you get 2x (etc)
got it TX.
04-21-2014 , 07:04 PM
Obv only 6max mtt & sng ?
is any time frame when full ring ?
04-21-2014 , 10:50 PM
Nevermind, I see now that i got it. I guess the funds arrived late..

Thanks for the reply anyway.
04-22-2014 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by patnbrtwo
Obv only 6max mtt & sng ?
is any time frame when full ring ?
I think SNG will be a while - that's a liquidity question. MTT will be the first to get 9 max as it gets us more variety in our tournament offering, something we badly need. I'm not sure on timelines though - all the development time at the moment is on the .DK client.

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Originally Posted by drambuiecola
Nevermind, I see now that i got it. I guess the funds arrived late..

Thanks for the reply anyway.
It should be pretty quick - I wonder if you were on 99.9% and it rounded up or similar.
04-22-2014 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by T.C.
You just moved to your own network because you estimated it would serve you better in the long run. I think that was the correct choice. If the long run is what you focus on, you have to realize that charging 200-250% of the rake that your opponent charges is not going to take you far. In the long run, probably within a year or two, having 3% rake in HU and 4% in 6-max will probably have more than doubled your SNG growth from what it is now, simply because it sets you only behind PokerStars, and only slightly, while also leaving all the other competition behind.
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Originally Posted by Sciolist
You've pretty much persuaded me, first I'm going to see how many HU SNG run and figure out what it costs if it all goes horribly wrong though!
In May we're going to run all HU SNG with a 3% fee instead of a 5% fee. I'll then see if any more run than usual and whether the regulars churn any less as a result.
04-22-2014 , 06:47 PM
just tried the new unibet software. lots of potentional. especially i think the lower rake will draw players to unibet in the future.

few conclusions :

- bigger font size on tables would be nice. atleast i didin't find any ways to make it bigger. i had actually trouble seeing clearly the other players' stack sizes =D. deallt cards could be shown larger also i think. best would be the option to change the whole deck of cards to full red, black, green and blue so it would be even easier for the player.

- now the active table is not "pop up" mode as they stay at background even if your turn is waiting there. goes to sit out very easily as you won't notice your turn then multitabling

-i didn't manage to find how to change the buy in amount when entering a new table. always brought the minimun stack at first

Last edited by Hansu Hanhi; 04-22-2014 at 06:54 PM.
04-23-2014 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Hansu Hanhi
just tried the new unibet software. lots of potentional. especially i think the lower rake will draw players to unibet in the future.
This is quite an interesting one. The reason we went for lower rake at the lowest stakes was that we think players move up in stakes if they win. Sounds obvious I know - all the players like us certainly did. But the casual guy has to decide whether to play Call of Duty or go to the cinema or to play cards.

I have reasonable data that suggest those players also move up in stakes when they win, and lower rake gives them more chances to do that. We have closer to normal rake at higher stake games, so this is good for all of us.

But we do that without telling anyone that rake is low. I don't really want to talk to that type of player - our core market - about rake. I don't really want them to know what they're paying, I just want the ecology to be good for them and to work naturally.

So we aren't competing on price per se, and I don't think that'd work very well because most players don't actually know what the price is. The only people that do know are the 2 + 2 type of player, who are liable to kill our casual players faster, which would defeat the purpose.

I know you play PLO from your post in the rake thread, and that's an interesting case too. I think there might be ecological arguments for rake changes there, which is something that isn't really discussed properly in that thread. I'm going to look at some data and see where we are on that too (no promises!)

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Originally Posted by Hansu Hanhi
- bigger font size on tables would be nice. atleast i didin't find any ways to make it bigger. i had actually trouble seeing clearly the other players' stack sizes =D. deallt cards could be shown larger also i think. best would be the option to change the whole deck of cards to full red, black, green and blue so it would be even easier for the player.
There's a four colour deck option already in table settings.

The font size gets too small though and that's something we're looking at.

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Originally Posted by Hansu Hanhi
- now the active table is not "pop up" mode as they stay at background even if your turn is waiting there. goes to sit out very easily as you won't notice your turn then multitabling
This is something I've written the specs for. At the moment the developers are busy on the Danish version (hence no update for the past three weeks). Once that's done we'll look at what to put in next, and table tiling/cascading/saving, plus table priority, are what I'm most interested in adding next.

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Originally Posted by Hansu Hanhi
-i didn't manage to find how to change the buy in amount when entering a new table. always brought the minimun stack at first
You can't change it at the moment. When we launch the Danish client we'll include a screen before you sit at the table that will let you do this. That release should also fix the crappy login screen we have at the moment.
04-23-2014 , 01:28 PM
i meant a four full color deck like this, i think most of the sites nowadays have the option for that kind of deck. it comes very handy specially when playing omaha.

but that's quite a minor note atm

04-23-2014 , 02:10 PM
Aha, got you. I think it'd be quite hard to integrate that kind of thing with most table backgrounds but maybe there's something we can do down the line.
04-23-2014 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Sciolist
In May we're going to run all HU SNG with a 3% fee instead of a 5% fee. I'll then see if any more run than usual and whether the regulars churn any less as a result.
From May 1st we're also going to reduce rake at NL4 and PLO4 to 1% up to €1. The minimum 1c rake per flop made the rake higher than we anticipated. The games were raking a bit more than, say, NL25 in BB terms, though still quite a lot less than they did on MGS. This takes the games back down below all our other stakes (and I think everyone else anywhere, though that's rather besides the point for us).
04-23-2014 , 02:28 PM
so if SB completes and flop is seen and cbet cause a fold theres an 8c pot ?...is it still 1c minimum rake taken which is~ 12.5%
04-23-2014 , 02:31 PM
Yes. That's not common, but it can happen.

Overall the rake is a lot lower at the moment than it was on MGS, and from May it'll be lower again.
04-24-2014 , 05:30 AM
the rake on 400NL is 6% with a cap of 3€, I don't think that this is lower as it was on MG and it def is way more than on stars :/
04-24-2014 , 05:34 AM
I was talking about NL4.

Yes, the rake at NL400 is higher than at MGS or at Stars. But the rake in terms of bb/100 is considerably lower at NL400 than at any other stake. When the first poker sites launched they just took a live standard and applied it across all stakes - this works fine when you only offer two or three stakes, but not when you have a wide range.

We charge much less rake at the lower end than anyone else I've heard of. We charge what we used to at MGS in the middle, and we charge slightly more at the top.

If we look at the rake the site makes (not what a player pays - there are several players per hand) as a proportion of a 100bb stack, we currently charge in the 70s at NL4, in the 50s for NL10 to NL100, in the 40s at NL200 and in the 20s at NL400. The change to NL4 rake will take it down to 46% based on the hand sample I used. NL4 rake at MGS was 124%.

By charging less at the bottom, more players rise in stakes and stay alive for longer, so the bigger games are softer.

Last edited by Sciolist; 04-24-2014 at 05:41 AM.
04-24-2014 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by smetje
the rake on 400NL is 6% with a cap of 3€, I don't think that this is lower as it was on MG and it def is way more than on stars :/
Oh, and I should also mention - the top end of the loyalty scheme awards more than it did on MGS too. The players who put in the most volume at NL200 and NL400 (like you) are likely to end up better off, even if we don't take the average standard of the games into account.
04-24-2014 , 06:52 AM
Hey, Sciolist.

I was playing NL10, completed three challenges and got NL25 ticket. Now I have to complete 3x 1000 worth minor challenges to get NL50 ticket but challenges in NL10 are worth less.

Is the system set up this way that you can get a ticket only one stakes above yours or eventually there should be some missions that could be worth 1000 even at NL10?
04-24-2014 , 06:58 AM
All the challenges are worth the same number of points. It's a system where we want to encourage liquidity at the higher games - so we award an NL25 ticket for challenges at NL10, and up we go.

It does mean that there's a point where you probably can't complete it, but that's a feature rather than a bug.

The May mission awards a €10 NL10 ticket (and is a lot easier to complete) by the way.
04-24-2014 , 07:00 AM
Fix the global sitout bug .
04-24-2014 , 07:02 AM
Which global sitout bug is that?
04-24-2014 , 08:23 AM
that if you time-out at one table you are automatically sitting out at all the tables
04-25-2014 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by smetje
that if you time-out at one table you are automatically sitting out at all the tables

this one
04-25-2014 , 05:36 AM
That one's interesting as it's pretty close to feature rather than bug.

A potential problem with the way our quick lobby works is that players can potentially sit out on tables they don't like and rejoin for new ones. We therefore made it so that if you sit out on one table, you sit out on all tables.

The downside of this is that when you time out, you also sit out. I'm not sure what the best way to fix this is. It'd actually make things worse if we just let players sit out at that one table, because then there's a degree of table selection by timing out, which makes it worse from everyone having to wait etc.

Perhaps a way to fix this would be to sit you out on all tables if we have lost connection with you, but if there's an existing connection it simply times down. This only really works if there's a system that highlights tables when you have to act on them, as otherwise it can sit there doing nothing for an hour, with you timing out every single hand, much to the annoyance of the other players.

So - in short - not sure how to fix that. Once we have table priority in, it becomes a lot easier to deal with.
04-25-2014 , 01:11 PM
Hi. I'm a new player to Unibet (very old lapsed player). Nice to see a guy on here from Unibet answering all of the queries/issues that we have raised so thank you Andrew for all of your hard work.
My thoughts and opinions (some already mentioned in the 80 pages so far).

I like it, mainly 2/4p at the moment with some 5/10p when I'm feeling brave. I'm just the recreational player the site is aimed at (I think) although I do have a lot of poker experience (mainly as an MTT player).

Happy to see the poker log in will be changing as the "remember me" doesn't remember you.
Biggest issue for me is the tables not popping up when the action is to me, but I note you say this will be corrected (I did pass this on to support also) as I end up sat out a lot!
Challenges- spoiler alert, there are only 10 minor and after that they randomly repeat, can we have more please, especially as i'll have these for another 2 months with nothing new to look forward to (if not now can you build more into the next 3 month cycle) The 999 and 321 ending ones are my least favourite. Major challenges- the FH to the river is counter intuitive and -ev. I've completed that one now but I definitely lost out on money/value to get the challenge completed. No way should this be the case.
When you have sat out for a hand, it still takes 2 hands on average to get back to the table, so there is still lag there for some reason.
I too would support 6 max SnG over 5, but not a real issue for me.
Will preferred or "sit here" seating be coming soon? so I could have the top left on table 1, top right on table 2 etc.
No chat box, this is good. Stops me getting abuse and also ranting when the 85 o/s cracks my AA for my whole buy in!
The 500 starter bonus is completely bonkers for low level no limit players 1,4,15,80,400. I'll just get the 15 and that's with playing thousands of hands. Bonus released in 10 euro increments would encourage me to play. Once I get the 15 I can't get the 80 so will play less or not at all/somewhere else (which isn't actually what either of us want).
I like the mix of cash and tickets as rewards, but I understand why some wouldn't. I also like the 2e free daily one, I have some 10e and 50e ones now, so fingers crossed I can keep going.

Will there be any deposit bonuses in the next few months? (this would help me and the liquidity of the site).

Like I said at the start, I like Unibet now, much more than I liked it before. It's early days but keep up the good work.

Adrian
04-26-2014 , 02:21 AM
Whats 123 challenge?

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