I hate to bump this but there were a noticeable amount of shills coming out once the secret was out. I expect to see more of these threads in the coming months and the most unfortunate aspect of it, will be members seeing "soft games and fast payouts" and deciding to give them their business.

All we can really do is make the community aware of what is really happening here and hope they refuse to play anywhere on Action. I don't see any real truth coming from BetOnline but APN got the cash flow they needed and that's all they care about.

If I joined a forum or any social site nearly 6 years ago and never used it once in all that time, I would seriously have no clue what my PW was, what email I used to signup and probably no longer have that acct, what my username was, or any other details from the signup.

You sir are a model of organization, efficiency and stability in this crazy information age we live in - and I tip my hat to you!

I just sent in all my documents Saturday and requested the cashout the same day...the very next day on Sunday my money was available via western union....fastest cashout I've ever received on a site and I live in the usa

If Betonline is so legit with payments, why do they lie about their poker? I guess technically there is some difference between Betonline and Action. Action does not share their Chinese Poker, Pan and Guts tables with Betonline. Considering that is a total number of 0 players omitting them and calling it a different network is ridiculous.

The only thing I can figure is that Action wants their money for being a skin, but doesn't want anyone to know that they have a skin that allows US player.

Whatever the reason, I'd be much more comfortable playing on one of the 5 major US networks if I were American.

That is exactly how it seems, an elaborate way to have US players on the network. I am just wondering what the legal ramifications could be if someone with power ever caught on to Action.

At this point I would trust Cake more than Action, and that's pretty bad.

THIS! You fine gentlemen are always help people use more common sense.

Does anybody have any experience with this website? We joined it a few weeks ago.

Today, however, the website seems to be down.

Is anybody else encountering problems? If not, do you like this online site?

TIA!

My inquiry thread just got moved to this thread. Sorry for creating a brand-new post.

I'm concerned that the website is not coming up. Is anybody else having any problems?

I tried logging in today. Website is not working for me either. I called them, and they said the servers should be up and running within the next 30mins... They said it was due to bad weather?? Seems a little sketchy, and they told me this about 45mins. ago.

Where is their server located? Do you know?

Panama City, Panama.

Wow! They are having some big storms down in that area, so this now makes more sense. I feel somewhat relieved, though I probably won't be able to bet much with them today with their server down.

Heck, we were without power twice in the last two weeks due to storms in our area. In fact, this past Friday, we lost power and phone service in the same day for 7 hours.

Nobody fools with Mother Nature, I guess.

Thanks for the reply!

They have to be hating that, NFL kickoff Sunday and they are down.

As of the time of this writing, the website of Betonline is still down. This really is a bummer.

Yeah and it's suppose to be Scattered Thunderstorms there all week. So I quess their systems will be down due to rain and thunderstorms...lol

Betonline website is back up and running. Whew!

I'm going to bet quickly before it goes down again.

I did some research on BetOnline this morning for PokerTracker, I am sharing my basic research with you all, I hope it helps. I have not downloaded the BetOnline client, everything I am reporting is based on research alone.


BetOnline says they are on the Hero Network when I spoke with their customer support, and I was able to confirm this is true from my resources in Costa Rica which work for a different company. The Hero Network does not list BetOnline as a skin and is not yet tracked by PokerScout (I spoke with him about that, hopefully he can do the research necessary) - I dont find that too odd, it is sometimes common in this industry to only list skins that are white labeled in this industry - if BetOnline is using its own processor or requested to not be listed as a client then that would explain this oversight.

Action Poker Network is the same thing as Tiger Gaming (where I used to play Asian games years ago with successful payouts but that was many years ago), it is owned by Play Safe Holdings - an active participant in the affiliate conferences I frequently attend. I have no personal experience with Play Safe's business other than hello-goodbye at conferences. The Action Poker Network does not use it's own software, they license the "Las Vegas From Home" software for their network. This is similar to what ENET and Yatahay, do with their software (same software, separate network) and what the Everleaf model used to be as well.

The Las Vegas From Home poker client can be found here: http://lvfh.com/eng/online-poker-software.php

The Hero Poker Network client can be found here: http://heropokernetwork.com/features

From appearances in these images alone, I think it is safe to assume that Hero Poker Network does not use Las Vegas at Home's software solutions. Not only do the skins look radically different, the options offered on the two images don't match - hence unless there is further evidence I think we can debunk the assumption that the Hero Poker Network is associated with Action Poker Network.

One final bit of evidence - assuming the image on this affiliate page is correct, it appears that BetOnline does in fact use the Hero Poker Network - http://pokernewsboy.com/betonline-poker

I know nothing about BetOnline as a business, but there is one thing for sure - the sportsbetting industry in Costa Rica is known for pay their customers. It takes a long time to complete the processing, but that is a known downside to doing sportsbetting using a Costa Rica based book (caveat - I don't bet sports, this is only from third party knowledge - feel free to chime in if your experience is otherwise). I cannot say if that is a good thing or a bad thing, I feel processing is the greatest risk in the online poker chain and it is up to each individual player to make that decision on their own.

I hope this helps to clear up any confusion about BetOnline's network, and if it does not then helps to point people in the right direction for further research. I had to do this investigation because players were requesting that PokerTracker add support for BetOnline, its not something that we intend to do at this time but we will continue watching for the future.

TT don't take this the wrong way, but have you completely missed all my threads outting BetOnline? They only call it the HeroPokerNetwork. If you also download the ActionPoker client (or any Action skin) and open it side by side with BetOnline, you will see that all the tables and players are identical. When I contacted BetOnline, Action and Playsafe they all called me a liar and demanded I stop speaking of it. Instead I posted and provided proof to many others. I also had the owner of a large affiliate contact Playsafe's owner and ask about it, and he was threatened to stop asking questions.

If you WHOIS HeroPokerNetwork you will see it is owned by Ben Johansen the CEO of ActionPoker and Playsafe and also the person who registered the domains for Action and Playsafe. That proves this without any way to doubt. No matter what you were told, it's false. Action Poker Network owes over $250,000 to players and affiliates from as far back at July 2010, thats why they are blacklisted. Action's plan was to launch HeroPokerNetwork like a new network unrelated to Action and hope no one noticed the players and tables were the same. The reality is Action has been insolvent for over a year, and are trying to do anything they can to make money while refusing to pay affiliates and players.
Even though BetOnline has a decent reputation, being in bed with Action will only screw them and their players. Play at your own risk. And if one more person tries to threaten to keep this information from being public, I will out your personal information everywhere.

How can BetOnline say they are a part of the Hero Poker Network (whoever they are) while HPN refute that statement themselves? I contacted them and specifically asked: is betonline.com related to you in any way? The person acted totally clueless and said this was untrue. If they really wanted to pull this off, don't you think the group behind HPN would be given a story to tell? No one even knows who HPN are. I know about all the less popular sites and most online poker sites, but this is truly one I have no idea about. I don't even recognise the skins they have listed, but maybe someone else does. I have asked a few other people in the industry about this network and the story being told is that it's brand spanking new. So are the two skins they have listed with them also new or not?

Playsafe is a joke with MANY different fronts. This can easily be found by doing a little digging yourself. It is not even just Ben Johansen who is at the center of this; his own brother Atle is working alongside him and ripping players off. They have been getting away with it for a long time now and people still give the entire Action operation the benefit of the doubt. None of the skins there are safe and probably never will be. The fact that they still get to run a business and take player deposits is astounding.

I have nothing against anyone who decides to play on the sites, but I will definitely try to stop them. This is bigger than some people want to think and the best thing for us to do is make the community aware of the bigger picture. Just look at a poster like Grind, he/she has been here for years and thoroughly checked this out for themselves. I would definitely take their word over it than some rep whose purpose is to support BetOnline.

Instead of looking at different websites or asking different people, why don't you download both softwares and take a look for yourself? Everything is identical apart from some of the games not being shown on the BetOnline client. (this isn't uncommon, because a lot of other, legit networks separate the player pool.) They failed with their master plan by allowing people to open both the Action client and BetOnline client simultaneously.

I don't know what else to say but anyone who supports the poker side of BetOnline obviously has some financial interest in that or is simply being used as a shill. You want proof they are one in the same? Before BetOnline launched the poker on their site, Atle was going on about how the company is bleeding out money and how the players are pissed. He persuaded what is a highly rated sportsbook into joining a sketchy operation, but I'm not going to blame all of this on BetOnline. I get the feeling new people were brought in to manage the poker room and the good guys don't know about all the happenings. This was all shared in a meeting that Playsafe/APN held not too long ago.

EDIT: APN is scheduled to release a new software in the upcoming months, so there's probably where a lot of money has went into. It should be interesting to see if this is rolled out to BetOnline or if players will be able to connect and play on the current client used by them.

This site should really be called Betoffline since it's always down or having some sort of connection problem.

Lying about what network they are on is not the only thing which makes them shady. Most sportsbook sites will offer very high deposit bonuses which are credited instantly, with the catch that you must wager even more of that initial starting amount in sports bets before you can withdraw. This is why these bonuses should usually be avoided. However, with BetOnline, even if you choose to deposit without any bonus, you still need to wager your initial deposit on sports betting before you can withdraw.

Not to mention, the withdrawal fees at this site are extremely ridiculous if you are a US player. Unless you are withdrawing a very large amount, you will be giving up 10-15% of your deposit in fees. Even if you choose to withdraw by check, the fee is something like $25 within 30 days or $75 within 7 days, and another option inbetween.

Although the games there are very soft, bite the pillow hard and prepare your anus when you plan to withdraw. You will definitely be getting raped in fees.

Has anyone deposited on Bet Online yet for poker? Do they offer quick withdrawals, soft games, can you use Poker Tracker ect...?

Try internet poker forum here

Internet Poker

and use search function before making a new thread there.

Has anyone played at this site yet? Can you use Poker tracker? How have withdrawals been for U.S. players? Soft games?

Very soft games....cashouts via western union in less than 48 hours