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View Poll Results: What size (in percentage of the Big Blind) should antes be in '100-250 bb' NL/PL cash games?
less than 20% (less than $0.80 at $2/$4 NL)
48 15.84%
20% ($0.80 at $2/$4 NL)
93 30.69%
25% ($1 at $2/$4 NL)
99 32.67%
more than 25% (more than $1 at $2/$4 NL)
35 11.55%
20% or 25% (either $0.80 or $1 at $2/$4 NL)
28 9.24%

04-05-2010 , 09:13 PM
I'm in for 25% and antes at the PLO tables is a must. I have nothing useful to contribute on whether ante sizes should be different for 6m and FR. I'm leaning towards the same size throughout.
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04-05-2010 , 10:26 PM
I voted for 25% and I think it should just be a flat rate for all stakes and table types.

I also think there would be more players on a 50bb-200bb than the current model.
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04-05-2010 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
I voted for 25% and I think it should just be a flat rate for all stakes and table types.

I also think there would be more players on a 50bb-200bb than the current model.
rathole city
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04-06-2010 , 12:39 AM
yeah please offer regular speed tables as well as fast. Also for euro tables, can we have some normal speed ones please.
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04-06-2010 , 01:00 AM
I did not vote in the poll as I do not have much experience with ante games and certainly don't feel qualified to give an opinion as to a preferred ante size. I would defer to the higher stakes guys and those who have experience in ante games.


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Originally Posted by NoahSD
It should vary by the number of players at the table (or just the max number of players to make life easier) and you should aim for the sum of the antes to be like 1-1.5 BBs.

Right. You guys who are suggesting different antes on full-ring vs. 6-max tables might be forgetting that sometimes a full-ring table can have 6 or fewer players seated at it as well. Just because it's a full-ring table doesn't mean there are 9 players on it.

So by changing the ante structure on each table you could have a six-handed game with one sized ante on one table and also have a six handed game with a different sized ante on a different table.

This would be especially confusing and difficult for those who are multi-tabling the two different kinds of tables.
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04-06-2010 , 02:15 AM
FWIW, I don't think ante games at full tilt in small/mid stakes have worked out particularly well at all. It doesn't lead to more action in quantity, but it does lead to more aggressive action. This in turn leads to people playing generally tighter reducing the overall amount of action in the games. And that seems to be the exact opposite of what you're looking for when adding antes into a game.

And now that Full Tilt has increased the min buyin, very few ante games even run and the ones that do run are are most frequently just because of a big fish. I think Stars has missed the boat on alot of Full Tilt improvements, but this is one they could learn from - it didn't work out well. At least not at 6-max, I don't have any experience in the full ring games.

On the other hand, not having a pot button could be really good for these games so maybe it is worth a shot.
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04-06-2010 , 05:42 AM
20% imo
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04-06-2010 , 09:13 AM
BTW, all my posts in this thread were concerning PLO, I didn't even realize this was also talking about NLHE, PS SteveD linked this in one of the PLO forums.
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04-06-2010 , 10:37 AM
i still think the ante should be bigger in full ring. 6max games are more naturally aggressive, 9max games are usually a lot nittier. therefore if you want antes to be effective you should make them a little bigger in full ring games, or in the very least keep them the same compared to 6max. the 8vpip nits will be punished, the structure will force more aggressive play preflop and postflop, real poker gets to be played, stars gets more raked hands, etc etc
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04-06-2010 , 11:01 AM
This is a great move by stars. I've always disliked playing in their cash games up to this point because i find them the nittiest games anywhere.
Looking forward to playing there more in the future, and as an extra bonus i don't have to play at full tilt anymore with their BS rakeback for some program.
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