Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets

10-30-2014 , 01:06 AM
my email to stars
dear pokerstars I would like to let you know that unless you reverse your decision and give guaranteed assurances that this will stick I am probably gone from your site for good.

I would like to say I am glad you have made your announcement now since it stops me wasting more time on pursuits that will literally and I do mean literally not probably be impossible.

in fact I am going to post maths below.

I would like to inform of my motives recently and am attaching the equivalent of 50 pages of calculations to prove i am not making spurious statements but I am been truly genuine.

i had been inspired when i noticed that some people were making 2% roi on hyper turbo satellites. when i heard someone playing 200 games in an hour I immediately saw the potential. for example if $74 game 200 games. 1% over 100 games= full $74 for 2% over 200 games multiply by 4 74*4=$296. not including rake back.

the very best player i have found online scrape 2% jorj95 who is famous for these games makes 2% at 74 he is the best of the best.

so lets do the math for $60 game as this is the nearest example you gave in your post to the $74 games i dreamed of beating.

we will start with jorja95 but have to bear in mind he is the worlds best for these so to assume i can match him is ambitious. at 2% since the change is now just making a profit.

with SNE RB still sounds attractive but
1. jorj95 set a goal to be positive before rake back and achieved it I have found no other SNE player for these games who has positive ROI before rakeback. but lets assume I am break even as it currently stands which puts me level with world class standard for these games. i would now be losing 1.41 a game before RB. Super nova elite RB lets call it 60% i know you say 68% but with the changes for uk players vip program and the effective promise reduction in the vip program for 2016 60% is huge wishful thinking. i would go as far as to say delusional.

this would give me $2 rb approx allowing for 60cent a game profit sounds great remember that is for SNE. super nova calculation 30% 1.023 rb im losing 39c a game approx. again im sure you will argue more then 30% rb same reasoning why i use 30 as 60 but just for fun 1.41/3.41= 0.413.

do you offer 41.3% RB for Sns i doubt it. so to conclude to achieve my goals now I would need to to edge out tiny profits in the micros with huge swings and spend a long time doing this to play higher games where i know even been world class standard I will lose to the rake even after RB to hope to achieve supernova elite so i can make 60-120 an hour. which isnt a bad wage but realistically the game losses could only be part subsidised by micro winnings and $200,000 in rake to get there would put me in significant debt.

the goal is no longer feasible.

as for my aspirations as mentioned please find attached the numerous spreadsheets.

i have not sent everything but basically every blind up to 200 big blind and 10bb to 1bb for every position both shoving and calling.

what i have sent should give an idea if you doubt i have done the lot on request i can send more.

also have an icm spreadsheet can send on request.

its a lot to memorize does not take into account player actions. i was planing on using poker tracker to adapt to that i also have a spreadsheet which works out the total equity redistributed every time a player busts and what % you need to be when called if called 100% to be profitable and fold equity and a spreadsheet calculating probabilities of opponent ranges eg if I have A10 what is the probability that with X players behind me one of them has A10+/ 88+.

as you can see my decline in play time on your site was not due to giving up on your site but a monumental effort to try and make it big and sharpening the axe away from the table so to speak.

Would I have really achieved it? if i posted my intent on 2+2 with my previous results I would bet large amounts that i would be ridiculed. However my entire life I have been told I cant do well pretty much everything. and proven people wrong numerous times so I am never going to listen to anyone telling me that I cant do something unless that task can be proven literally impossible. I mean I am not psychotic I am not going to run of the balcony in an attempt of flight. but if something is possibly achievable i will never listen to any nay sayers. your changes make it literally impossible. attempting to make it in this area now would be as delusional as trying to fly.

would I have achieved it now this can only be speculated on what I can guarantee though is that I would have put a heck of a lot of volume in trying it. with my record for fixed limit i would of had effectively given me numerous funds to consistently try should i run bad or find my play needed adapting.

only after 10,000s to 100,000s of thousand games would i have called it a day.

its impossible i will wait until i get back to cash out my full bank roll to see if you reverse your decision.

I doubt you will I will also open the client at random intervals to ascertain players online to see if i need to cash out due to risks of your insolvency.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malefiicus
It's good to know amaya isn't trying to trick anyone into thinking they're the geniuses that made pokerstars the largest site in the world. It's quite obvious they're the morons that are going to tank the most profitable site in the name of profit. GG in the next 3 years, Stars won't be #1.
Thank goodness, one site with 50%+ market share is ludicrous and bad for the industry. I've been saying this for years, but my predictions are now coming to fruition.

Quote:
Originally Posted by akis_333
stars are you serious? you will kill all games expect spins with these mooves. :S
What makes you think that isn't the plan? Turning poker into gambling is more profitable for poker sites. The war on regs continues.


--
Kahn
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:12 AM
can this please be moved to NVG so that it gets the attention it deserves? This is like if 9/11 was happening and cnn.com decides to hide it from their front page. cmon mods, a little common sense please

Last edited by AMSTERDAM_FTW; 10-30-2014 at 01:38 AM.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:12 AM
Fantastic news just what i wanted to hear, lol the new owners are obviously a joke sure they might make some short term money, but in the long run they will lose more than they could have gained. i'v just withdrew my full roll, it was only $6k however it's not the point how much it was, the fact is the games these days are already SO HARD to beat more so in PLO when swings can be huge. iv played on pokerstars for over 4 years, and honestly the software the trust the player pool, everything is next to none nowhere else has something like them. why has no1 stepped up and make this there opportunity to take pokerstars playerpool.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:13 AM
There was already not many tables being started at msnl+ 6M NL.... now you've just doubled the rake. Don't expect to see any tables starting ever.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:13 AM
now plo100 rake is 12bigblinds every 100hands...It will be more in the future....
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:18 AM
I made withdraw of my bankroll:

1: They will not make interest on my money without giving me my share
2: News can trigger liquidity pressure on company short term and it might turn they do not keep players money safe
3: Soon or later they will put additional transfer limits, withdrawal fees
4: Long term our money is not safe there anymore
5: Am done wit poker, will use some money to buy stocks of amaya and others for next months when am looking for a job basically waiting to deposit on other poker sites. 888 will come wit huge fakin deposit bonus.

6: do not wanna fishes losing fakin 10k so can get out like 1k or even less. Well actually i do not care about them but i do have self respect. Gonna get a job, be more creative somewhere where i can build up economy actually and not worry about what will happen in year or two.

Guys love u all, specially all of u so called regs i battled for divisions/cartels. Can not say i will miss u.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Grocott
My guess is that Amaya want to increase revenues to the maximum to increase the value of the company and sell it on 2-3 years from now.
this. Amaya took one good look at Star's old numbers/figures and got wide eyed at the prospects....from their view this is purchase was probably seen as a short-term gold mine but a long term sinking ship. the outlook for online poker over the next 2-5 years is not so great with less and less new customers and further division of their market as more and more countries are becoming liabilities.

i think they will basically end up pulling a fast one and re-selling it for a quick buck to an ignorant buyer. the sooner the better imo, Amaya has clearly decided what is important to them and obviously regs are not on that list.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:22 AM
After such a great backlash against Spin n Go's, you would think that they wouldn't try to promote their cause even more?
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:23 AM
i just cannot see why they would target the games that generate the most rake to make it literally impossible for most to compete there without the SNE RB it is nion impossible to profit now unless your simply the worlds best, and to get to SNE you will lose huge amounts to the rake in the process.

what pokerstars sells is the dream so many players hope to make it big if i wanted to take a long shot for a few bucks to win lots of money knowing the odds are against me guess what id buy a scratch card. thats what playing on pokerstars is now.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jebote
2: News can trigger liquidity pressure on company short term and it might turn they do not keep players money safe
3: Soon or later they will put additional transfer limits, withdrawal fees
4: Long term our money is not safe there anymore
Player account balances are completely segregated (by law in the countries in which they operate). If every single player requested their account balance at the very same time, Stars has the money to pay it, completely separate from their operating funds.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:24 AM
We are going back to Party guys....or 888 or iPoker.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:27 AM
In before Ansky argument that this is a good thing.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ASAP17
You guys (Amaya) are morons, gg Stars. The Schienbergs knew exactly what they were doing and who they were passing off the brand to. Suckers who will get nothing close to the $4.9bil they paid on debt floatation.
this ^^^

ead amaya
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:48 AM
Greedy new management is going all off with vip program cuts and rake increases.

These fools don't care about the players and they don't have to because they realize how much of the market share they own.

Many reasons people play on Stars is for the VIP program with a fair rake and they are basically telling people we don't care about you anymore.

People certainly aren't playing because of soft games because anyone who knows online poker realizes Stars has some of the toughest games on the internet.

Such a shame what Pokerstars has become yet people who have several other choices will continue playing on Stars just because of the size of the site and it's what they are accustomed to doing.

I'm sure Negreanu is approving of this just like the slot lottery based Spin N Gos.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:48 AM
Now we officially know they are trying to take as much money from the player base as possible. Its amazing how they could **** it up so hard and the year isn't even close to over.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:49 AM
Just wow, sick to my stomach
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:51 AM
amaya ladies and gents, pokerstars going to a publicly traded company was a sign of doom, maybe in a couple years there will be a new dominant site.

can't wait to hear negreanu defend this **** like he does spin and goes
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrDanimal
amaya ladies and gents, pokerstars going to a publicly traded company was a sign of doom, maybe in a couple years there will be a new dominant site.

can't wait to hear negreanu defend this **** like he does spin and goes
Lets hope its not 1 dominant site, 2 front runner sites will be great
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:53 AM
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:54 AM
ok that's it, **** you
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:55 AM
Please god let Scheinbergs enter into online poker business again, buy some dumphole like Party and do your thing, build real good pokersite again, and dust these greedy ****ers.

I want team "WE ARE POKER" back instead of "WE ARE GREEDY SCUMBAGS"
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
What makes you think that isn't the plan? Turning poker into gambling is more profitable for poker sites. The war on regs continues.


--
Kahn
This coming from the biggest shill of the network known to be the worst offenders of anti-reg policies lmao

"It's not that bad they banned you for winning" gtfo
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:58 AM
Oh btw lol, is 50NL HU gonna be $1 rake cap? For heads up cap too!?
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote
10-30-2014 , 01:58 AM
I am a SNE x 5 and have not played a hand on a non stars site in like 4 years. I will be creating accounts on all the other major sites and moving the majority of my money off stars.

You can basically guarantee the changes for next year's rewards program are going to gut everything. SNE will not exist in the future.

If anyone is holding large amounts of FPPs, I advise you cash them in now. No guarantee the exchange rate will remain if it even exists at all.
Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Quote

      
m