So does this mean it does not matter whether i played standard poker or not ? And i am going to go down with all these players who jammed with any 2 ?

Why is this situation evolving to me being responsible as to how my opponents choose to play ?

And there is no intentional call here after the flop and also its not 100% that QQ is going to hold preflop

Fair play to OP for posting them hands but I am not sure how he thought this would play out from here. I mean what is this hand?

Another q is, is there some strong hand when hero didn't get max value against these players?

So to sum it all up,

1. I played with too many Japan accounts

2. These accounts donk dumped into my account even though i played standard poker throughout.

3. Stars somehow suspect and believe these accounts belongs to me. Because its unusual for all these Japanese players to be donks

4. Account banned and funds confiscated.

I would like to know which rule did i break since i only focused on playing my standard game throughout ?

Did i break the rule of consistent playing players from the same continent ? If yes, then where is this rule on Stars site ?

Its amazing how many times these accounts shove/call off on the turn when you have them beat.

Funny though, OP does lose some hands v them as I have listed below.

I think the lesson here is if you're playing an opponent who, for whatever reason, is literally dumping chips to you then you should leave and contact support.

You play a lot of different games too. 50NLz+ 10NL normal tables, 10NL CAP, 16NL. Strange how these accounts manage to follow you around.

Lol i think it's enough?!

Just making sure

To be honest how many poker players actually do this ?

I wonder if Stars did a full investigation into this to see if there were other funnels involved

OP lost a pot, one of the very few 50BB+ pots he lost, to a new Japanese account udonsuju

"standard" huge all-in call by a japanese account vs LeoKezoJr where OP had AA and udon has K7. Unfortunately for OP, the flop was K7x and he didnt improve, meaning that udonsuju now has ~$100 in his account. I wonder where those funds ended up - and his account is still open

PokerStars Hand #168554692220: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2017/04/04 4:40:21 ET
Table 'Roswitha II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: udonsuju ($48.53 in chips)
Seat 2: LeoKezoJr ($51.27 in chips)
Seat 3: ReachHeight ($52.26 in chips)
Seat 4: BOTOTBETb ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: FengFF ($44.06 in chips)
Seat 6: marcthegame1 ($46.24 in chips)
udonsuju: posts small blind $0.25
LeoKezoJr: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LeoKezoJr [Ah Ad]
ReachHeight: folds
BOTOTBETb: folds
FengFF: raises $1 to $1.50
marcthegame1: calls $1.50
udonsuju: raises $5 to $6.50
LeoKezoJr: raises $44.77 to $51.27 and is all-in
FengFF: folds
marcthegame1: folds
udonsuju: calls $42.03 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($2.74) returned to LeoKezoJr
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7c Th]
*** TURN *** [Kc 7c Th] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7c Th 3d] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
udonsuju: shows [Kd 7h] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
LeoKezoJr: shows [Ah Ad] (a pair of Aces)
udonsuju collected $98.06 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $100.06 | Rake $2
Board [Kc 7c Th 3d Qh]
Seat 1: udonsuju (small blind) showed [Kd 7h] and won ($98.06) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 2: LeoKezoJr (big blind) showed [Ah Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: ReachHeight folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: BOTOTBETb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: FengFF folded before Flop
Seat 6: marcthegame1 (button) folded before Flop

So does this prove that i am connected to these accounts?

And even if lets say all of these players are my friends from Japan joining me for a game.

Does this mean i need to fold my strong holdings to their shove?

Leo -

You're out of luck. You've been caught, and now it's all over except for the whining.

First of all, it's very likely that Stars can already prove that many of the Japanese accounts are yours. They don't need to tell you how they know, and there's no reason for them to tell the world, either. It's enough that they know, and you know that they know.

It hurts, but you just weren't smart enough to fool them. You can't even address the questions on this forum, and we don't have anywhere near the info that Stars has.

Till the day you are in my shoes, you would never understand the frustration since all i did was to play my Poker and look after my own account.

Guess its pointless now since everyone is jumping the gun

This is the most obvious case of blatant cheating I've seen. Question is why did you do this?

I would be frustrated too, having spent all that time & resources or money to have all those Japanese accounts be created and to play some, for them to dump to me and have my account closed and funds rightly confiscated.

Anyway, you are clearly involved, no matter what you say here or to Stars. However, there is a chance you still get your funds back. If there are no technical connections between you and the Japanese accounts that dumped to you and they somehow believe that chip dumping didnt take place, then the IOMGSC (Stars' regulator) may see it fit to have the funds that were in your account returned to you:

https://www.gov.im/categories/busine...on/#complaints
Form: https://forms.gov.im/default.aspx/Re...&HideToolbar=1


Good luck with the complaint, keep it short and to the point, dont get emotional and go on for paragraphs. Keep us updated and I can accept Bitcoin

Please check pm

Well this didn't go well.

Also the first time I've heard of someone who tends to play around the 25nl level in cash games and some $8 tournaments suddenly looking to play a $25,000 buy in game (having sold some of it or not)

It went as expected in these types of threads.


I am guessing he thought this request for deposit limits would ingratiate himself with Stars in some way as a potential big roller, and thus they would not give his account as much heat for his activities.

Some of those heads up hands don't fit the multi account for bonus concept, as the rake would more than offset the gain, so I am still a believer that this was some method to launder funds from stolen credit cards or some other form of fraud.

Most of the people who create these threads fall in the category of an obvious petty criminal, but some like this take a bit more investigative work, so it is helpful that they always believe they have done a strong job in covering their tracks, when usually it takes a couple minutes to expose the behavior once the data is provided.

This guy is lingering a bit, which is uncommon once exposed, but he will vanish soon. Who knows, maybe he still believes he gave all the info in his original post...

I would never be in your shoes. You did this to yourself.

How cute, especially when the hand histories were broken for what, 1 month? 2 months?

I would listen to Monteroy. He has 45 years of experience here in these threads

I don't think they are necessarily "his" accounts as such. I think it's more likely he was laundering money from other players, for reasons unknown. Forgive me if I'm misremembering this, or I'm not up to date with the situation, but I vaguely recall that the legality of online poker in Japan is unclear and payment processing is problematic. It might be quite difficult for Japanese players to get money off the site (due to Japanese banking regulations), so they chose their Korean friend (OP) as a way to transfer money into an account that could cash out.
I would not be surprised if some of the accounts belonged to 2NL-10NL grinders that just wanted to cash out $50 of winnings or deposit bonuses, and they believed the best way to do that was to arrange to play 5 hands of HU vs OP at 50NL. (Most of the donators played very few hands vs OP and dumped their stacks the moment he got a good hand).

I haven't had a chance to look at the tournament hand histories, so haven't checked for outright collusion. OP might be (another) one of those terrible players whose cheating/chipdumping in cashgames only came to light after he luckboxed a donkament and tried to make a large withdrawal.

I agree that you and I can't be sure of the exact details. But Leo knows, and he also knows that he's been caught.

This actually seems the most likely situation. The irony is that had the OP actually been open about whatever he did from the start (assuming it was something like this) then there might have been some area to negotiate an outcome that gets his balance back. Obviously if it is just fraud then that would not be of much help to him.


Your whiny exaggerations are always amusing, although following me around in unrelated threads is a bit weird. Not my fault I called you out on your fictional claim that your account was banned from Party Poker because you were Canadian. Your made up stuff is a lot easier to see on the surface.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=31480

Still, if you want - go ahead and give this OP some unconditional support (he can use it), given how much you hate Pokerstars, and apparently life in general.

All the best.