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09-15-2013 , 07:22 PM
This site appeared in PokerScout today, with the modest amount of 1800cash players...
Sure... where did this site come from?
Anyone that knows anything about this at all?
Their website doesn't let me register or check out the network, bewary of posting too personal information, they required my ID number, that's a first.

Additionally, the names "god", "thing" and "timmy are available.

Last edited by LoveThee; 09-15-2013 at 07:30 PM.
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09-15-2013 , 10:20 PM
This is a pokerroom from Republic of Georgia. You must have agent to deposit and withdrawal for you.

I would avoid it like the plague.
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09-15-2013 , 11:41 PM
lmao 1800 cash players....pokerscout has got to be one giant affiliate program...too many instances of this BS happening. strangely, you never see them make an error in under-reporting traffic.
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09-15-2013 , 11:54 PM
Funny, I seemed to have missed all of the banners and affiliate links for Adjarabet on PokerScout.

I notice they show it using DBG software, just like Dollaro I believe, and if the earlier post is right, they share the agent model as well. I wonder if they're related in some way, or just another network based on the same model, but in different countries.
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09-16-2013 , 07:13 AM
I believe they don't only opperate in Gerogia but in the whole area so Armenia, Azerbaijan and yeah they are that big.

Don't know anyone who was able to find there a deal cause they work the same model as dollaro network (BTW pokerscout doesn't show even half of dollaro trafffic).

there are 2 big sites in that area(also europe-bet). they are both fairly big and both work via the agent model.
The thing is even with my connections I couldn't find a deal there and was specifically warned not to play there (and I am one of the person that can easily get solid deals on dollaro network which is impossible for most).

However I believe that adjara is still way more legit than europe-bet.
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09-16-2013 , 07:18 AM
Adjara is a semi-autonomous republic in the republic of Georgia which has a couple of gambling resorts there (the main one being the Black Sea city of Batumi) where people from Turkey-where there are no casinos-come to gamble. Because of the growth of the region and growing economies/incomes-I've heard that gambling and poker are starting to boom there so I can imagine the set-up of this local site is a result of that boom, I imagine we'll see a few more similar sites.

Last edited by Jeedz; 09-16-2013 at 07:24 AM.
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09-17-2013 , 06:47 AM
I'm Alastair, Head of Poker at Adjarabet. I'll jump in here to clarify a few of the points that have been raised.

Firstly, our relationship with Dollaro / DBG.

DBG are our software supplier, and that is our only connection. The DBG client is run from local hardware and we are not part of the Dollaro network. We provide all customer support, hold all player data and funds, and manage our own cashouts. Our players are always paid promptly.

We do not use an agent system at all. All deposits and withdrawals are directly through us.

Secondly, our numbers are real

Poker is hugely popular in Georgia, it seems like every other person you meet here plays, and we are the Georgian market leader. We focus heavily on recreational players, and that is reflected in our lobby, where the games are very soft and most of the traffic is at microstakes. We do not use bots or prop players in any capacity.

Our Pokerscout listing doesn't even include all our traffic. We also have a Microgaming client and our numbers for that product are included in the MPN listing.

Lastly, I should address the registration issues mentioned.

We do require valid ID on registration, an increasingly common industry practice. We need this in order to police multi-accounting / collusion etc., something we take seriously.

The usernames in the original post simply aren't taken. Bear in mind the vast majority of our players are Georgian, so common English words often do remain available. 'God' in particular would be an unlikely choice in this highly religious country.

If anyone has any questions I'll check back in.
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09-17-2013 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by nochachapls
I'm Alastair, Head of Poker at Adjarabet. I'll jump in here to clarify a few of the points that have been raised.

Firstly, our relationship with Dollaro / DBG.

DBG are our software supplier, and that is our only connection. The DBG client is run from local hardware and we are not part of the Dollaro network. We provide all customer support, hold all player data and funds, and manage our own cashouts. Our players are always paid promptly.

We do not use an agent system at all. All deposits and withdrawals are directly through us.

Secondly, our numbers are real

Poker is hugely popular in Georgia, it seems like every other person you meet here plays, and we are the Georgian market leader. We focus heavily on recreational players, and that is reflected in our lobby, where the games are very soft and most of the traffic is at microstakes. We do not use bots or prop players in any capacity.

Our Pokerscout listing doesn't even include all our traffic. We also have a Microgaming client and our numbers for that product are included in the MPN listing.

Lastly, I should address the registration issues mentioned.

We do require valid ID on registration, an increasingly common industry practice. We need this in order to police multi-accounting / collusion etc., something we take seriously.

The usernames in the original post simply aren't taken. Bear in mind the vast majority of our players are Georgian, so common English words often do remain available. 'God' in particular would be an unlikely choice in this highly religious country.

If anyone has any questions I'll check back in.
Firstly nice to have you here sit and thanks for clarifying things here cause it seems there is a lot of miss information about your site around.

Couple of questions if you don't mind that I believe many people would appreciate:

-do you allow traffic from outside Georgia etc. and if yes are there any restricted countries??
-do you support e-wallets and if yes which ones?
-If I uderstand correctly the games are in gel but is it possible to have your account in other currency or it will always be GEL and your money when it goes to cashouts/deposits will be always exchanged??

Again appreciate your support here and thanks for claryfing things.
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09-17-2013 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by gargamel_fk
-do you allow traffic from outside Georgia etc. and if yes are there any restricted countries??
We welcome traffic from outside Georgia, with the exception of US players.

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-do you support e-wallets and if yes which ones?
Skrill is the only international e-wallet available right now. Webmoney will be added very soon, with others to follow.

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-If I uderstand correctly the games are in gel but is it possible to have your account in other currency or it will always be GEL and your money when it goes to cashouts/deposits will be always exchanged??
All accounts for now are in GEL, so there will be a conversion involved for international players. We intend to add new base currencies to the site in the future, but I can't give you a date quite yet.
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09-17-2013 , 08:31 AM
Sorry if I missed it but where do you get your license from? Also, how do you deal with cashouts: methods/timing/restrictions/international rules etc

Thanks
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09-17-2013 , 08:35 AM
Also, if you don't mind, as a Georgian can you make a quick comment about the state of live poker in Georgia/Adjara/Batumi and level of interest/traffic/stakes? Thanks
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09-17-2013 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeedz
Sorry if I missed it but where do you get your license from? Also, how do you deal with cashouts: methods/timing/restrictions/international rules etc

Thanks
We have a Georgian license, and we recently obtained a Kazakhstan license as well.

We have considered obtaining an EU license in the past but, to be blunt, it simply hasn't been worth the cost. Our current player base trust us on the basis of our brand, which is very established in Georgia, rather than our license. If more people like you start asking that question, we may revisit the idea

With regards to cashouts, we process withdrawals for unverified (no ID on file) accounts after a 48 hour hold, and withdrawals for verified accounts instantly. Skrill and Visa are the likely methods for international players.
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09-17-2013 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeedz
Also, if you don't mind, as a Georgian can you make a quick comment about the state of live poker in Georgia/Adjara/Batumi and level of interest/traffic/stakes? Thanks
I'm not Georgian but I'll do my best on this one.

In the case of Tbilisi, live games play a bit higher than online, but not much. You may find a 5/10 game on a good day, but mostly it's 1/2 or 2/4 - and that's GEL. The games are very soft though, and you won't have difficulty finding one.

With regards to Batumi I know there are a few card rooms there, but I'm less expert on what kind of games they spread and I wouldn't like to give you bad info. Batumi is very much a tourist town in summer, so I'd guess that would be a factor.

Georgia is a beautiful country and well worth visiting regardless.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 09-17-2013 at 10:01 AM. Reason: Spammy.
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09-17-2013 , 12:14 PM
thanks for the support, when has the site launched?
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09-17-2013 , 12:27 PM
Thank you for your answers to my questions, gl with your room.
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09-17-2013 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LoveThee
thanks for the support, when has the site launched?
Adjarabet.com launched as a sportsbook a very long time ago. I'd have to check if you want the exact date, but it was in the 90s. Poker was launched in early 2011.
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09-17-2013 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by nochachapls
We do require valid ID on registration, an increasingly common industry practice. We need this in order to police multi-accounting / collusion etc., something we take seriously.
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With regards to cashouts, we process withdrawals for unverified (no ID on file) accounts after a 48 hour hold, and withdrawals for verified accounts instantly.
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09-17-2013 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by centebakkie
You're right, I could have phrased that better.

We require valid ID details on registration. Should you send in a scan of your ID later, either because you want to verify your account to benefit from quicker withdrawals, or because our security department request it, part of the verification process on our end is confirming the details you gave on registration match your ID.
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09-17-2013 , 05:25 PM
Hi Alastair,

Do you happen to have a MTT schedule that you can copy, and if not too much of an hassle, then can you break down the cash games as well. In scout it showed that there was like 200 nlhe tables running, if I saw correctly.


Being lazy, so OK, if it´s easier to get the soft and check the lobby myself.

Also, what´s the average currency conversion fee between you and Skrill?

TY in advance!
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09-17-2013 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jaakkang
Hi Alastair,

Do you happen to have a MTT schedule that you can copy, and if not too much of an hassle, then can you break down the cash games as well. In scout it showed that there was like 200 nlhe tables running, if I saw correctly.


Being lazy, so OK, if it´s easier to get the soft and check the lobby myself.

Also, what´s the average currency conversion fee between you and Skrill?

TY in advance!
It's against forum rules for me to actively promote our site here and I'd be concerned publishing our schedule might cross that line. It's probably easier to visualize by looking in the lobby anyway, but if you have any questions about what you find there let me know.

Regarding currency conversions, Skrill is a unique case so the answer to your question actually gets a little complicated. For other deposit methods, conversions are simply performed at source, e.g. for card deposits we charge in GEL on our end and any conversion is performed by your bank.

In the case of Skrill, GEL is not supported for merchant payments, so we must receive deposits in EUR and convert those funds ourselves. For those who have Skrill accounts in a currency other than EUR, this will result in two conversions, one by us and one by Skrill.

We're aware that isn't ideal and we're working to implement a better solution. In the meantime, if your Skrill account is not denominated in EUR, I'd suggest using cards for larger deposits.

We apply a variable rate based on the current exchange rate so I can't provide a fixed number, but I can tell you that we do not aim to profit from currency conversions.
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09-17-2013 , 10:21 PM
Do you provide any kind of data feeds that provide info on schedules, players...(XML)?
Do you or are you planning on running an affiliate program, do you have any affiliates?
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09-18-2013 , 02:44 AM
is it possible to get RB ?

I cant seem to send a message to support with the contact us feature... What am I supposed to enter under personnal identification ?
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09-18-2013 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LoveThee
Do you provide any kind of data feeds that provide info on schedules, players...(XML)?
Do you or are you planning on running an affiliate program, do you have any affiliates?
We don't have an XML feed for public consumption. Why do you ask?

We have no affiliates and no affiliate program, we're looking at introducing one though.
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09-18-2013 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Badassbob
is it possible to get RB ?

I cant seem to send a message to support with the contact us feature... What am I supposed to enter under personnal identification ?
Negative on rakeback, and we don't plan to offer it. I'll expand on that a bit though to make our view on it clear.

Poker games generally suck these days (not a controversial statement here I imagine), and we're keen to avoid that happening to us. Our games remain good, but that's only because we have been unknown to the outside world until now, and that could change very quickly if we're not careful. Offering rakeback would also introduce a bunch of ecology problems. I'd be happy to discuss that but this probably isn't the place to do so in any detail. The short version though is no deals with us, public or private

With regards to the webform, it looks we're having some sort of problem with it today. Sorry about that - I've sent it over to our technical guys and it should be back up pronto.

For ID details, you can choose either passport or personal ID. If it's the latter it should be government issued, for example a driver's license. Be sure to enter the correct passport / ID number as a scan may be required later, and if the details don't match it could delay cashouts.
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09-18-2013 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by nochachapls
Negative on rakeback, and we don't plan to offer it. I'll expand on that a bit though to make our view on it clear.

Poker games generally suck these days (not a controversial statement here I imagine), and we're keen to avoid that happening to us. Our games remain good, but that's only because we have been unknown to the outside world until now, and that could change very quickly if we're not careful. Offering rakeback would also introduce a bunch of ecology problems. I'd be happy to discuss that but this probably isn't the place to do so in any detail. The short version though is no deals with us, public or private

With regards to the webform, it looks we're having some sort of problem with it today. Sorry about that - I've sent it over to our technical guys and it should be back up pronto.

For ID details, you can choose either passport or personal ID. If it's the latter it should be government issued, for example a driver's license. Be sure to enter the correct passport / ID number as a scan may be required later, and if the details don't match it could delay cashouts.



Nice to see that there actually is sound thought process behind the overall management of the room.

This in mind, would you be OK to discuss your background and how you ended up on Adjarabet. Do you own a % of the company, if it´s OK to ask. Seems like smaller and more dynamic operation so would not be surprised if the owners would be working on various positions.

A bit of a generalization, but you already seem way more competent and professional than for example Bwin.Party´s poker management. Obviously I don´t know your background and the history of the room and it most likely is a over-generalization and simplification but all sorts of poker related PR ****-ups have been quite the common thing lately and the responses here are a really nice surprise. So I hope that it does not sound too off.

Also the overall short history of the room would be interesting.

Thanks for the reply on the previous questions as well.
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