I agree with both comments.

I disagree. No one would ever know what either player had to make their bet and fold.

If you and others don't keep reporting them to PS Security, obviously they won't do anything. If you do, and they don't take any action after a number of apparently valid reports, then you would have a good reason to start a thread like this.

ok i gonna report in the stud section for now. based on the responses maybe report them later. might get some money back.

It's painfull to see people analyze that Stud-hand who have obv never played it seriously. Especially from Mike Haven I would not have expected such unqualified comments:

Mike Haven:
"If you and others don't keep reporting them to PS Security, obviously they won't do anything. If you do, and they don't take any action after a number of apparently valid reports, then you would have a good reason to start a thread like this."

Please take a look in the Stud-forum-thread about the chinese colluders. Dozens of people have sent hundreds of HH with collusion to PS, and not a single **** has changed! PS answers: "Stud is popular in China, they live in different cities..."
As if they wouldnt VPN within China, as well as quite a few over South Korea and others countries. It is offensive and insulting that PS doesn't give a ****.

And please don't try to project what you consider logic (it is!) on these colluder. They collude without any caution! Why else would there be 20 tables per stake of Stud Hi, all with 2 players from China, and one sitting out until some victim joins?
Because the know PS does nothing about it, and if one got banned in the past, they made a new account.



I have no proof of 8-Game colluding, but an endless amount of crystal clear colussion in Stud Hi games. And since PS ignores each and every colluding HH completely, giving BS-generic answers, nothing is something worse doing...

Though, I have no intention to further participate in this discussion, since trying to teach NVG the most complex game of poker would be the most stupid idea I could imagine. And I also feel a huge poo-flingin-ape****-insane tilt building up in me, so I'm out of here.

(typical NVG-thread, containing a bunch of people with zero clue about the topic, posting random gibberish)

Maybe the guys you complain about don't know how to play this most complex game of poker in the serious, (proper?), way that you do?

It's good that you don't post in an offensive and insulting manner to add your important and explanatory comments to this thread, for the benefit of the bunch of people with zero clue about the topic, posting random gibberish.

right now i go threw my HHs, found alot of the following:

chinese player raises a bet to get the pot HU with another asian, and they softplay themselves if they archieve their goal.

ridicioulus hands go to SD.

yes you can explain some of those hands with rational arguments like folding out equity, but they are all pretty borderline.

another spot i found is asians calling another with absolutly nothing, to draw people in the pot if one of them is nutted.

in this day and age collusion can be proven in automated ways. burden is on the site to do so in a way that is transparent and credible.

@OP ignore the trolls
@mike behave yourself please

As long as you keep playing online and putting money online, you are gonna be cheated out of that money. It could be by colluders. It could be by multi-accounters. It could be by edge-sorters. It could be by people who can see your hole cards and call you up to play with you. It could be by a crooked site that just steals your money and then shuts down. Then the site may open up again using the same name. If there is money involved, scammers will find a way to get it from you. It is just too easy for them to sit there and let each other know what cards they have and use the info to cheat you.

- we know of no confirmed case where automated seating drove away a recreational player
- OP stating he netted a profit is a strong hint on him being a winning player
- winning player != rec
- OP has no point!

qed, can i get my cookie now?

This thread reinforces my opinion that stud players are dicks

well the thread got a bit derailed.

it is still an open concern, but i agree i would need more HHs to open a thread like this.

yet i wont play on stars no more.

You must be a NVGer to say something so dumb.

Edge sorting on-line ? Really ?

+1

I guess people are just using catch phrases from the news now to make blanket statements.

Have you noticed anything weird on other games in the mix?

It's quite weird Stars has done so little to stud cheating.