i played >20000 hands on 8-game 4/8 and found out that the game is full of people colluding.

for instance in stud a player will lead out with nothing in a multiway pot and behind you there is a dangerous board which will likely raise. so you have to make a lot of incorrect folds.

there are also a ton of wired squeezes going on in holdem and plo both pre and post as well.

the colluders are so terrible you are still able to beat them though. still you have to watch out.

it tilts me so much i stopped playing on stars for now though.

So rather than report them to the one security staff that actually does something about colluders consistently when alerted to them, you just quit the games and let them continue cheating other people???

i hand out a warning here, it shall be enough.

if you look in the stud section on 2+2 the problem is known to stud players already and stars does nothing to solve it.

im not gonna waste my time looking for all the HHs. it will be a lot of effort and stars will not react anyway.

I've been on both ends of colluding accusations on Stars, and they are incredibly professional at dealing with these things. All you need to do is make a note of the hand(s) in question, and report it, and they will resolve it.

in the stud section of 2+2 they say stars did nothing for stud to protect it from collusion.

as a note: i suspect 25% of the regs to be involved. for instance, they all join the table in a matter of seconds (lol)

The regs instantly joining the table when you sit, is indicative of something else, not collusion.

You'd be remiss not to report this, if you believe they are colluding. Even for just peace of mind, if not for the safety of other Stud players.

seat scripting (lol)...you need more evidence for this thread to stay open, you're just trolling now

Those of you who obv don't play these games should think twice before dumping their hearsay ITT.

The colluding is a agreed upon fact at Stud Hi, as well as Razz and Stud8 to a lesser degree. PS does NOTHING about it anymore. Every now and then, a colluder-account got banned, and for some time they only allowed one palyer of a certain country per table, but those colluders just make new accounts and do the same obv collusion with identique stats under new names. And south korean VPN's are also already standard, so its often 3 chinese per table.

I already contemplated to move to 8-Game, but this does not really make me want to switch. Guess I'll mainly stay at MTT's, and rake 10x less than I would at cash-games.
Gooood job PS!

one example:
Poker Stars $4/$8 Limit Stud $0.60 Ante - 6 players - View hand 2596620
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (0.9 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 2 ____Seat 1 brings in for $1.50____Seat 1 folds
Seat 2: xx xx 9 ____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx J ____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx T ____Seat 4 completes____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6 ____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls
Hero: Q K A ___Hero raises

4th Street: (7.65 SB) (3 players)
Seat 4: xx xx T 4 ____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6 7 ____Seat 5 calls
Hero: Q K A T ___Hero bets

5th Street: (5.325 BB) (3 players)
Seat 4: xx xx T 4 2 ____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6 7 A ____Seat 5 calls
Hero: Q K A T 9 ___Hero bets

6th Street: (8.325 BB) (3 players)
Seat 4: xx xx T 4 2 2 ____Seat 4 checks____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6 7 A 8 ____Seat 5 bets
Hero: Q K A T 9 6 ___Hero folds

7th Street: (10.325 BB) (2 players)
Seat 4: xx xx T 4 2 2 xx____Seat 4 checks
Seat 5: xx xx 6 7 A 8 xx____Seat 5 checks

Final Pot: 10.325 BB
Seat 4 shows J T T 4 2 2 J (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
Seat 5 mucks 4 7 6 7 A 8 3
Seat 4 wins 10.015 BB
(Rake: $2.48)

thank you for +1 me.

i always loved 8-game, but this basically gives me the rest.

bye bye onlinepoker.

You play Stud or Mixed?
I'd go out on a limb and say you don't, hence why your comment is inapplicable here.

In before Stars becomes worse than Party at detecting bots and collusion due to cost cuts

I used to love 8 game too

Ftw if collusion teams become rampant on Stars it will be gg online poker for a while

So seat 5 tried to represent flush while having a pair and gutter, seat 5 calls with 2 pair, and they both check river when they don't improve. Not really seeing how they colluded against you.

lol you might want to look again.

he has no FE on sixth street against the openpair. not to mention his call on 5-street

did you played one hand of stud in your life?

So why exactly would either player bet on seventh in your example? Because two pair is such a strong hand in that spot? Especially after he check-called on sixth already ...

are you a freacking mongo? ofc 2 pair is not betting, the problem is the leadout of the reg with the 3-straightflush on sixthstreet haveing 0 FE and than checking it down.

i have seen several similar hands.

please dont even try to speak to me if you have no clue of stud.

You don't improve your point of view by insulting someone that you don't even know.

where's the collusion ?

were you trying to isolate or value something on 3rd street?

sorry if you cant see that his call on fith + his lead out on sixth + his checkdown are absolutly shady you probably have no clue of stud.

edit: i have seen alot of similar hands. i think it is laughable if some nerdy 2+2lers never played one hand of stud come here and question this. take a look at the stud section, alot of stud players with reputation are saying stars doesnt do anything about collusion in mixed games.

And you probably have no clue of collusion or gave a very bad example that doesn't really prove anything. Have fun wasting further time in this thread, I am outta here.

I haven't played for a while, but didn't he have 6 live outs and a chance for two folds when he bet?

If you're not going to report your findings and SNs to PS, is your intent solely to try to stop people from playing the game and have PS remove it from their offerings?

he never folds out the open pair (which is 2 pair+ 90%+ of the time) and for that bluff to have any chance of being +ev he needs to bet seventh-street. and for what reason he is calling fith street???

getting rid of me wont gain him anything as if i am in the pot or not has no effect on his outs (almost).

i just posted this hand for many many others that are similar.

edit: this is ment as a warning. you can play 8-game but you should watch out for people always coming in the pot together. you are likely being put in the middle

Nope. Reading your hand was the closest I've come to playing stud.

I'm not saying I agree with their play, but you already mentioned they are weak players sitting at 4/8. All I was saying is there was enough in their hand for a weak player to act with, and I didn't see any real collusion.

Also, if they were any good at collusion one would have betted and the other fold on river to hide down cards from history.

Furthermore, why does seat 4 call on 6th street if they are colluding? You already folded...collusion victory at that point.

that would be to obviously.

listen, i won money playing 8-game, but i still stop playing because of that fishy (in terms of cheating) play.

treat that as a warning. it is your choice if you wanna believe me or not.

edit: and what you are saying is true. but they are bad at makeing their collusion look good. still stars does nothing. and again: in the stud section HSPlayers warn you not to play on stars. and there are alot of them.

so....

That doesn't make whatever random **** you post definitely collusion, though.