Dear Users,

I recently played a FL heads-up match at FTP highstakes. It was an arranged match and the chance exists that this player, MissNikita1987, was able too see my holecards because I had a "friend", who I trusted, watching with teamviewer.
I have uploaded the hand histories here: http://hotfile.com/dl/71043172/4eaf9...ikita.rar.html

I don't need any advice or clever talk about how dumb I was to even allow that slight chance regarding the money involved. I know that already

It would be great if some knowledgable person could conduct a statistical analyses to find out whether the person I played with did in fact have access to my hole cards or not, by taking a look at typical factors such as fold to bet at different streets, went to SD, river aggression, and so on. If the analysis turns out positive it might well be used at court.
I'm willing to award $500 to the person who creates the best analysis.

Regards
IHateJuice

ihatejuice = nazi

Lol. Can't sue for being too stupid.

Wow man sure seems fishy that a mid stakes NL guy would play a set-up match at 2k-4k against a HU limit expert. If you haven't done so already (but you probably have), I'd e-mail Full Tilt security and have them look at the exposed hole card hand histories.

I'm not a stats guy, but I'd be interested in looking at your hand histories if someone puts them in some type of autoplay format.

Am I understanding this correctly:

Your friend was viewing both your and villain's holecards from a third location? Or your friend was watching from behind you and somehow relaying your holecards to MissNikita? Not sure I'm following this.

I think what he's saying is he was allowing his friend to see his holecards from another location via teamviewer, and he suspects that his friend might have been relaying his holecard info to his opponent, be it with a cellphone, aim, or whatever.

Ok, this is what I suspected. And your friend knows MissNikita as well? How was the match arranged?

this

Outplayed IMO

You know what Fulltilt will do if your sharing data ?

This has superscam written all over it.

just finished going through the 1/2 HHs and it seems likely something funny was going on

Hmmm. Pick better friends?
Don't let friends watch you play?
I know u know better but still.
Can't you post hh don't trust any links that I have to download.

I have looked through around 40-50 of the biggest winning/losing hands, and there is DEFINITELY something going on, will post detailed analysis later when I finish every hand.

No reason why the friend needs another friend to aim to. Very likely the op's friend was also his opponent.

Okay, just preliminary observations after looking at just basic stats and graphs. Still need to go through individual hands.

The most basic one being the WTSD, W$SD, W$WSD: Clear indication that opponent was able to read hands very well. You won only 20% of showdowns, so he had the goods. The ones you won on showdown, he still had a good hand but you made a flush or something like that. The suspicious hand with some river actions are when you have Q8. You won only the non-showdown pots more (red line).

Also filter for hole cards and see how the hands go when you have premiums like AK, AA or AQ. You dont get much action with these. The ones you get action with you lose. The AK vs K6 hand is very suspicious.

Still going through hands.

I'd still like to see this on a hand re-player if anyone can do that.

Also, alot of very standard hands are going to look fishy to someone who doesn't play HU limit. I think if some HU limit players looked at the session it might help some.

The only way you're going to definitively tell if you got cheated, though, is to have someone who can see both players' hole cards look at the session, and the only way that's going to happen is if someone from Tilt security (who knows what they're doing) does it. I don't think there's going to be any statistical anomaly in a 300-400 hand sample that's going to hold any water in court.

Nate, I think you can import them into Holdem Manager and replay them there.

ask ptr how it ranks for winrate, aggression, went to to/won at showdown etc compared to similarly sized sessions thruout their database.

Wrong. IJH won 31% of showdown across the 629 hand sample.

They only went to showdown 19%, which is exceptionally low.

There are lots of hands where this isn't the case.

I agree with Six Finger Nate; to someone who doesn't play a lot of hu limit, a lot of these hands hands may seem weird (not directed to kfor2p2, just to this thread in general). I went through the first session. I flagged 9 hands in total: 2 I considered we suspicious. 7 I considered were evidence towards the villain not being able to see hole cards.

I'm not really going to comment more because I do not feel I am qualified to do so; I'm not even sure what statistical analysis can be performed to demonstrate this either way, but I think contacting the HS limit guys and maths gurus directly -Leader one be first to mind - will probably help OP more than this thread in the zoo.

Villain has played very little FL according to PTR. The only time are these nosebleed matches vs. OP.

However from what I can tell in total 1250 hands were played together on the 15th of september. The sample uploaded is onyl 629 hands.

According to PTR, villain finished up +282k. The sample given by OP leaves villain up +350k.

This is pretty ridiculous. Over 629 hands you should never be showing down that infrequently. I'd bet over that kinda sample I've never come anywhere close to that number. Anyone know if there's a way to filter for this in HEM? Also is it correct to assume that with a lower WTSD you should have a higher W$SD? Seems like the opposite occurred here.

I agree it's extreme. However when we analyse things like this we have to go from the assumption that this is a very rare happening. From the reason that he is considering cheating going on, it means that there's going to be some extreme numbers.

As I say I'm can't comment more because I don't know enough about the statistics of it.

I definitely have had sessions not far from these stats. Go to players tab, set # players to 2, min hands to whatever, vpip-pfr between 0-100, set a date range, run report, then sort column by wtsd.

My lowest with >100 hands is a 120 hand match, wtsd 16.5% w$sd 52%.
Another is 22% wtsd, 42% w$sd.

The closest in a large sample is 400 hand match, 28% wtsd 43% w$sd.

(w$sd is from vills perspective)

Well you can't really say that because this is a heads up match. If the wtsd is low both opponents can be 'responsible' for this (and hasu makes some 'large' folds at points). The w$sd is going to be player1 + player2 = 100, of course.

edit: one final thing, I would say that it's going to be irrelevant for anyone to look at these 600 hands if they are just a sample of the 1500 hand match that the 2 opponents played, unless there's a good reason for the hands to be split (.e.g OP only had teamviewer going for this period). And in that case they would be just as useful as a comparison.

this!!!!

there was a guy that got scammed for 30k like this. He was playing a guy that was pretending to be another guy that was some reg fish and the guy that was watching his cards was supposed to coach help him but it turned out "the guy" was all of the people and it was a master scam!!

You are right, the missing hands were those from 500/1000. We played this as a "warm up" and I won a bit there. I suspect that he/they did not make use of the cheat as much there as they did on the higher limits to keep me unaware and also get an idea of how I play (to later adapt their play in a not-so-obvious fashion).

I added all the missing hands now. http://hotfile.com/dl/71110961/6944b...35212.txt.html

Regards,
hasu

most likely nothing or revoke his non-red pro status at some point within the next year