It's very safe to buy PT4 or HM2. I'd be extremely surprised if they ban these any time soon. Too many players would not be able to multitable without them.

A lot of regs are just going to move a lot of their volume to other sites because there's no incentive to play massive volume on stars alone anymore.

+1 all in the lobby but no playing since 1 of january

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I dont think that messages/petitions or sitout protest will change much. In my opinion players that are interested in saving/improving poker environment should try to realize that the reason of this instability goes with ps as monopoly. There is no real alternative to choose.
The question is how to make this alternative?
Sign a letter and send it to Scheinberg asking him to build a reliable company once again?
Poker economy is slow dying economy everyone knows that, so its kinda hard to find just a person with money willing to invest. However if you have skills and a vision on how things work in poker, it might fire away.
Accept players from all countries as well as all that ****ty payment methods, start with very aggressive marketing with an opportunity to pay some portion of players deposits to those who attract these players (so in every ****hole of this planet people would be able to deposit/withdraw/play) and with solid reputation it might work.

From players side cooperation is the key.

Well, if you would use money you now take from higher profile grinders and would put it on promotions which would invite new players and recs to play (non-Spin&Go games, I am speaking about poker) poker, I might consider these as reasonable changes. It might have a shot to make Stars fields softer.

But I guess you'll just grab the money and give it to Amaya shareholders. Cash games already around 40% down year-to-year, MTTs looks withered overall too and I guess Sit&Go's were rather crushed by Spin&Go's. I'm sure you had a reasonable year by squeezing all the money out from ecosystem by games that have virtually 0 chance of winning by skill (Spin&Go / Casino).

1. Ongame
2. Full Tilt
3. PokerStars.eu
(4. I hope not: Online poker)

gg

What on earth are they thinking? This is going to kill high stakes. Is it not in their best interest for high stake players to generate rake for them? Regs simply wont play on pokerstars if their rakeback is capped at 30%. Once rakeback is destroyed why on earth would they continue to play on stars? Lets hope some of the other sites jump on this and do something to attract high volume players. Damn it stars.

I will firmly and respectively DISAGREE with both of you. I mean are we supposed to simply lie down and take the changes? I dont see why we have to do that, we have an option to fight back. After all we do live in democracies dont we? In regards to the protest simply put I just think the PROS massively outweight the CONS.

Pros
-Higher % for SN+SNES throught the year (anywhere from 20-35%+)
-Possible extension of SNE program

Cons
-Lose 2-3 days of grinding beginning of year (oh no!)

Nobody is going to sit out from fish filled tables. Not playing just won't work. Blocking tables like a few years ago might be better but that would probably be met with a warning and then a ban very soon after.

The thing that really aggravates me is how stupid they think we all are.

If he'd come in and said, "Look guys, this is how it's going to be. We have a monopoly and we're not afraid to take advantage of that to make as much money as possible and this is how we are planning to implement this plan." Well... so be it. I don't have to like it but I get it.

But this whole, "It's for the greater good" thing is a farce and it's insulting.

You don't try to limit the amount of high stakes being played "For the greater good". Recreational players love railing all the way down to 5/10 (I've had some random ones pm me on a site I worked saying so, and I'm hardly famous). The poker dream is to sit there and watch guys battle at 50/100 with 30k stacks and think, "One day, that'll be me" while you've got $86 in your bankroll and then work your ass off to get there. The dream isn't to sit at 3/6 and 3 table because those are the only games running.

You do it so that the guy that deposits 10k and normally loses it in 1k hands now loses it in 10k hands because only lower stakes are running. Or, if he choses to lose it in 1k hands at 5/10+ you make sure that you're making pure profit on that.

If this were truly for the greater good and you were really concerned about the greater good and other players winning, you'd decrease rake across the board (to create more winners) and then offset those costs by targeting the biggest winners (in this fashion) to help offset the cost (much like how a tiered tax system works in most countries).

This is a money grab plain and simple and no one's even got the balls to come out and say it.

Do you think Rational Services haven't considered the strike scenario, istack_u5? I think they've already analysed and envisioned every possible course of events. If all the regs quit, Stars would still be able to keep a high % of recreationals' deposits because those customers alone would be able to keep games running.

I dont say we shouldnt do that. I personally will join without any doubts. I was saying that those effective managers will try to squeeze everything they can, and they will be using every opportunity. And their strategic department will solve that situation gaining max ev for them. They will analyze all data they gain ending up with something that will be very uncomfortable for players but fine for them.

While i might get used to saying bye to supernova dream, the thing that scares me the most is killing of high stakes. How long till Ben86 grinds pl100?

It's impossible to block Spin & Go tables, and a high portion of the overall traffic is there. That's also what many recs will elect to play if ring games are blocked.

50/100 plus will be fine because the rake is so small relative to the pot sizes.

5/10 and 10/20 will die overnight though

Does anyone understand well what this means??



What is this "multiplier" they are removing? Why "attacking" 9-player games? they were dying slowly anyway...

Are Full-Ring games dead, then? Or is the change not that big - not noticeable - ?

Sitting out as some sort of organised strike is not going to work, even if you were able to get a significant group together and sit out I'm pretty sure Pokerstars can wait it out a whole lot longer than you guys can.

Best thing to do is start cashing out, keeping the bare minimum of funds on the site and cashing out/depositing money often. Essentially 'recycling' the money over and over. Pokerstars pays pretty hefty fees to their payment processors so it will hurt them a lot.

but the they ban u for "suspicious activity"

i say we find pokerstars matthew,
we find him...
and we...

hahaahha all i can do is laugh at this point.... This seems so self destructive.. gg online poker

greedy stars. rip pokerstars

"we are poker " ???? AHAHHAHAH you are a greedy mony scum

That absurd policy being implemented.
Online poker are killing and expelling most regular players.
It is not enough rake you are earning?

I am seriously considering emigrating 2016

Great changes for most.

best for the poker economy? best for the pokerstars economy you should say...

When poker economy gets bad and you cannt have enough winning players you should decrease effective rake not increase it.

Just a reminder that best time for poker was when we had a good amount of winning players around so everyone wanted to play. Now you even have games that you cant simply win... lol.

You can also reg 7-8 Spin and Gos and time bank/stall every decision to annoy the recreational players. They might just quit Spin and Gos if they get a couple of bad experiences.