Which worse, counting or guessing - Page 3 - Poker Card Room

Two Plus Two Forums Live Poker Casino & Cardroom Poker

Which worse, counting or guessing

Post Reply Subscribe

...

Page 3 of 3

1 2 3

Page 3 of 3

1 2 3

08-10-2017 , 07:19 PM

#51

psandman

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 15,829

Quote:

Originally Posted by Playbig2000

I think this will just slow up the game, and players will request counts then fold, etc.

And yet my actual experience is contrary.

Quote

08-10-2017 , 11:08 PM

#52

albedoa

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,392

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverine

It seems the main defense of it won't take up time is that no one really asks for counts

Yes..? The main and best possible defense against the claim that it takes up time is that it does not.

Quote:

which begs the question of why the rule is needed at all.

Exactly! Wait, which rule do you mean.

Quote

08-11-2017 , 08:57 PM

#53

psandman

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 15,829

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverine

But that appears, at least in the case of psand's room, because no one actually invoked the rule anyway. It seems the main defense of it won't take up time is that no one really asks for counts, which begs the question of why the rule is needed at all.

People do ask for counts. But when they do they either get one voluntarily from the player, or they are satisfied with an estimate from the player, or they are satisfied when I ask the player to lift their hands and make the chips visible.

So on the rare occasion that the player feels they need an exact count, and the opponent doesn't want to provide one is the limiting time we are talking about.

Quote

08-15-2017 , 05:03 AM

#54

Ol93i

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 113

From what I've seen I'd say to the player "how much do you have left?" and they either give you a count or just move their hands away from by their stack so you can count yourself

Quote

08-15-2017 , 05:36 AM

#55

HJS

banned

Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 48

I don't see anything wrong with asking for a count, you have to know how many chips villains has left, and guessing and getting it wrong could be more harmful than just asking politely for a count.

Quote

08-15-2017 , 10:57 AM

#56

bobg3

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 258

I'm colorblind and have been burned by green 25s sitting on top of stacks of red. If someone's across the table from me I usually just ask if they have any big chips, but too many 1/2 pros refuse to say a word during a pot.

If you're not going to allow counts for some reason, you should at least require big chips to be physically in FRONT of other chips. Not beside or on top...

Quote

08-15-2017 , 03:03 PM

#57

lawdude

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 10,305

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobg3

but too many 1/2 pros refuse to say a word during a pot.

By the way, this is a sidetrack, but any "pro" who believes that if they say one word they might give off a tell is a complete idiot who has no idea why people win at poker.

We have these folks in limit games-- they try to assemble their chips to raise the turn in a kill pot in one motion (24 or 32 chips) without having to say the word "raise" because, you know, if you say "raise" you are giving off all sorts of information. It's completely silly.

If you fancy yourself a good player, you need to be able to at least say simple and necessary things during a poker hand.

Quote

Page 3 of 3

First

1 2 3

Last

Post Reply Subscribe

...

Page 3 of 3

First

1 2 3

Last