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Originally Posted by Phil9
Not sure what you are implying. If you are saying a player should force a dealer to give an exact count of a person's stack every time they ask, that would be absurd and probably be highly abused by dickhead players and severely slow the game down. I wouldn't be too opposed to allowing a dealer to give an visual estimation if the stacks are easy to read.
That is exactly what I mean. You may be surprised to learn that there are rooms where this is the rule, and it doesn't cause any of the doomsday scenarios that people here predict (the game will slow to a crawl; people will abuse it constantly).
I would never want a dealer to give a visual estimation unless it is a smallish stack of chips and he is absolutely sure, because there is no training or process to doing it, and if he's wrong it can cause major problems.
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Originally Posted by DCJ001
If player A would like a count of player B's stack, it is up to player A, and no one else, to do it.
This is true in most rooms. It is also something wrong with poker today IMO, not something that should be celebrated and protected.
Logistics (i.e. slowing the game down) and history aside, there is no good reason why it should be true that visually counting another players stack should be part of the skill of playing poker IMO. There is nothing really skillful to doing this, just visually demanding.
Online poker doesn't require this (mostly because it can't), and I don't think it in any way causes the game to be less skillful or fun, at least not for that reason.